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So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine. I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air w

So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine. I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air we breathe. Nicotine aside,what makes vaping risky? Like are there specific chemical substances? When i starter it I assumed it was nictone,water vapor and flavorings which have no known side effects on the lung.

noja 7y ago
What do the ingredients on your packet say?
- buttcoinslol 7y ago
  Vegetable Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Natural and Artificial Flavorings, Nicotine
  - brokenmachine 7y ago
    Natural lung disease flavor. Seriously, could they be any more vague than "Natural and Artificial flavorings?"
- badrabbit 7y ago
  Vegetable glycerin,propylene glycol,flavors,nicotine. There is also a "state of california" warning about possible exposure to formaldehyde. Can't they test this on rats and monkeys easily to see if there is an obvious side effect? Or maybe they have and the results are inconclusive?
ves 7y ago
a while back there was a scare that some vapes had lots of tiny metal particles in their vapor, which would be really really bad for you. Dunno what the resolution to that was, but it’s probably worth following up on.
- jdietrich 7y ago
  The concentration of metals found in that study were below the legal limits for inhalational medicines. The type of vaping device studied was something called a "cartomizer" of a design which is now broadly obsolete; these cartomizers feature heating elements with solder joints which remain immersed in the e-liquid solution, whereas more modern devices generally use a heating element comprising a single piece of stainless steel. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0057987 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
mirekrusin 7y ago
It’s not water vapour, it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol plus flavourings. Some flavourings can be seriously bad, look up popcorn lungs.
- jdietrich 7y ago
  >it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol Both of which have a long record of safety as an inhaled vapor. They're the standard ingredients in theatrical fog machines, so have been investigated in detail by occupational health and safety agencies; the worst identified risks are minor respiratory irritation. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1990-0355-2449.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1990-0355-2449.pd... >Some flavourings can be seriously bad, look up popcorn lungs. All reputable manufacturers removed diacetyl from their products years ago, as soon as the risk came to the attention of the industry. Popcorn lung is extremely rare, with only one known case involving non-occupational exposure. http://blog.mtbakervapor.com/diacetyl/ http://blog.mtbakervapor.com/diacetyl/
  - Retric 7y ago
    Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years. Many things are harmful, but not obvious at low doses. People used to use lead as a sweetener. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate The current consensus is that vaping is harmful. https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung.html https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-... However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects to be obvious.
    - robocat 7y ago
      > Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years. Occupational hazards (chronic exposure) might be expected to show something if it had serious long term effects. > However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects Long term effects often have early outliers (the tail of the graph leading up to a long term problem) - we would likely be seeing something measurable already if there were a very serious problem. And for many users, it's a very good bet that vaping is safer than long term smoking.

noja 7y ago

What do the ingredients on your packet say?

buttcoinslol 7y ago
Vegetable Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Natural and Artificial Flavorings, Nicotine
- brokenmachine 7y ago
  Natural lung disease flavor. Seriously, could they be any more vague than "Natural and Artificial flavorings?"
badrabbit 7y ago
Vegetable glycerin,propylene glycol,flavors,nicotine. There is also a "state of california" warning about possible exposure to formaldehyde. Can't they test this on rats and monkeys easily to see if there is an obvious side effect? Or maybe they have and the results are inconclusive?

ves 7y ago

a while back there was a scare that some vapes had lots of tiny metal particles in their vapor, which would be really really bad for you. Dunno what the resolution to that was, but it’s probably worth following up on.

jdietrich 7y ago
The concentration of metals found in that study were below the legal limits for inhalational medicines. The type of vaping device studied was something called a "cartomizer" of a design which is now broadly obsolete; these cartomizers feature heating elements with solder joints which remain immersed in the e-liquid solution, whereas more modern devices generally use a heating element comprising a single piece of stainless steel. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0057987 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

mirekrusin 7y ago

It’s not water vapour, it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol plus flavourings. Some flavourings can be seriously bad, look up popcorn lungs.

jdietrich 7y ago
>it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol Both of which have a long record of safety as an inhaled vapor. They're the standard ingredients in theatrical fog machines, so have been investigated in detail by occupational health and safety agencies; the worst identified risks are minor respiratory irritation. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1990-0355-2449.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1990-0355-2449.pd... >Some flavourings can be seriously bad, look up popcorn lungs. All reputable manufacturers removed diacetyl from their products years ago, as soon as the risk came to the attention of the industry. Popcorn lung is extremely rare, with only one known case involving non-occupational exposure. http://blog.mtbakervapor.com/diacetyl/ http://blog.mtbakervapor.com/diacetyl/
- Retric 7y ago
  Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years. Many things are harmful, but not obvious at low doses. People used to use lead as a sweetener. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate The current consensus is that vaping is harmful. https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung.html https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-... However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects to be obvious.
  - robocat 7y ago
    > Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years. Occupational hazards (chronic exposure) might be expected to show something if it had serious long term effects. > However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects Long term effects often have early outliers (the tail of the graph leading up to a long term problem) - we would likely be seeing something measurable already if there were a very serious problem. And for many users, it's a very good bet that vaping is safer than long term smoking.