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I've heard rumors of something similar about US anti aircraft systems, and this being a motivating factor in Turkey buying S-400s.

by yasp 7y ago

kuzehanka 7y ago
The S-400 is just objectively better than anything US is selling. The possibility of Patriot having a US killswitch is an afterthought if it was considered at all. It's also equally probable that the S-400 has a Russian killswitch. The actual motivation for Turkey to pick the S-400 was entirely political. They are signalling allegiance to Russia. The US is now cancelling Turkey's F-35 order in response.
m00dy 7y ago
Turkey also wanted to have a technology transfer while having patriots. So, Turkey can use it for its own missile defence system. Apparently, It didn't happen.
- yyyk 7y ago
  Yet ironically, Turkey didn't get a technology transfer from the S-400 either. Once Putin got Erdogan committed, Putin knew he didn't have to offer much - Erdogan couldn't suffer a reversal.
  - m00dy 7y ago
    https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23561/Tech_Transfer__Local_Production_in_Turkey___s_S_400_Deal_With_Russia#.XQApMY8pDIU https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23561/Tech_Transfer__Local...
    - yyyk 7y ago
      Note that he doesn't have anything specific to point to - that's because he's merely trying to justify Erdogan. He must know that Turkey is going to get very few tech transfers: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3409158 https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3409158
      - m00dy 7y ago
        Turkey has already a rocket-missile company [0]. So, I'm pretty sure Turkey does not need everything but only specific parts. What I think is that Roketsan will be able to manufacture its own s400-capable Triumph missiles. So, Everytime Turkey launches its own missile, It won't need Russia to replace its stockpile. [0]: http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/ http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/
        yyyk 7y ago
        It's likely that Russia will allow Turkish missiles. However, that would not be a significant technology transfer. Technically Russia could do this merely by passing on protocols to 'talk' with the S-400, and letting the Turks create their own missile. Even if some missile tech were to be transferred (I rather doubt it), the key part of S-400 is not the missiles - but the very sophisticated radar, control and EW systems. Either way, it doesn't get Turkey much ahead in designing their own missile defence system, and leaves them dependent on a potential (even likely) enemy.

I've heard rumors of something similar about US anti aircraft systems, and this being a motivating factor in Turkey buying S-400s.

by yasp 7y ago

I've heard rumors of something similar about US anti aircraft systems, and this being a motivating factor in Turkey buying S-400s.

kuzehanka 7y ago

The S-400 is just objectively better than anything US is selling. The possibility of Patriot having a US killswitch is an afterthought if it was considered at all. It's also equally probable that the S-400 has a Russian killswitch. The actual motivation for Turkey to pick the S-400 was entirely political. They are signalling allegiance to Russia. The US is now cancelling Turkey's F-35 order in response.

m00dy 7y ago

Turkey also wanted to have a technology transfer while having patriots. So, Turkey can use it for its own missile defence system. Apparently, It didn't happen.

yyyk 7y ago
Yet ironically, Turkey didn't get a technology transfer from the S-400 either. Once Putin got Erdogan committed, Putin knew he didn't have to offer much - Erdogan couldn't suffer a reversal.
- m00dy 7y ago
  https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23561/Tech_Transfer__Local_Production_in_Turkey___s_S_400_Deal_With_Russia#.XQApMY8pDIU https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23561/Tech_Transfer__Local...
  - yyyk 7y ago
    Note that he doesn't have anything specific to point to - that's because he's merely trying to justify Erdogan. He must know that Turkey is going to get very few tech transfers: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3409158 https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3409158
    - m00dy 7y ago
      Turkey has already a rocket-missile company [0]. So, I'm pretty sure Turkey does not need everything but only specific parts. What I think is that Roketsan will be able to manufacture its own s400-capable Triumph missiles. So, Everytime Turkey launches its own missile, It won't need Russia to replace its stockpile. [0]: http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/ http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/
      - yyyk 7y ago
        It's likely that Russia will allow Turkish missiles. However, that would not be a significant technology transfer. Technically Russia could do this merely by passing on protocols to 'talk' with the S-400, and letting the Turks create their own missile. Even if some missile tech were to be transferred (I rather doubt it), the key part of S-400 is not the missiles - but the very sophisticated radar, control and EW systems. Either way, it doesn't get Turkey much ahead in designing their own missile defence system, and leaves them dependent on a potential (even likely) enemy.