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Nobody’s telling anyone to do anything. The problem people are talking about is that this setting looks like absolute garbage and it’s inexplicably turned on by

by mwfunk 7y ago

Nobody’s telling anyone to do anything. The problem people are talking about is that this setting looks like absolute garbage and it’s inexplicably turned on by default on almost all TVs these days. The only people who think otherwise are people who just literally do not care at all about picture quality and probably also do stuff like stretching the picture to get rid of letterboxing. These are not the people that default settings should be based on.

paulryanrogers 7y ago
Quite an opinion you've got there. I too think the smoothing is odd, but I'm over 35.
- mwfunk 7y ago
  I'm certain age has nothing to do with it. The only thing that determines someone's opinion here is how much they care about accurate AV reproduction, and that's not driven by age, only passion for the content.
  - paulryanrogers 7y ago
    It's possible those who will grow up with higher frame rates will consider the smoothing normal. And they may consider 24fps choppy. Time will tell.
    - mwfunk 7y ago
      I wonder if we're focusing on two different things here. I'm not thinking so much about the merits of the 24fps video experience vs. the 60fps video experience. I'm just focused on clean playback of the source content. If something was recorded in 24fps, I want to see it in 24fps. If something was recorded in 60fps, want to see it in 60fps. I'm more complaining about the automatic 24->60 (or 120 or 240) conversion that's enabled by default on a lot of new TVs. I'm not at all opposed to higher frame rate video, I like it. I've just never watched something on a TV where the 24->60 conversion didn't look significantly worse to me than playback at the native frame rate. Maybe my unconscious assumption is that people's preferences about the ideal frame rate can change over the years, but that reinterpolating the video to a different frame rate will always look worse than native, regardless of the source and destination frame rates. Maybe this isn't true, but that is my assumption.
brokenmachine 7y ago
If it says 200Hz on the box, it must be better than the one that's only 120Hz, right? This is the amount of research people do before buying something they'll stare at for 4h per day for the next 5 years... Never mind that the native framerate of the panel is only 60Hz. This is why we get Vivid HDR mode ("Torch mode") and motion smoothing enabled by default.

by mwfunk 7y ago

paulryanrogers 7y ago

Quite an opinion you've got there. I too think the smoothing is odd, but I'm over 35.

mwfunk 7y ago
I'm certain age has nothing to do with it. The only thing that determines someone's opinion here is how much they care about accurate AV reproduction, and that's not driven by age, only passion for the content.
- paulryanrogers 7y ago
  It's possible those who will grow up with higher frame rates will consider the smoothing normal. And they may consider 24fps choppy. Time will tell.
  - mwfunk 7y ago
    I wonder if we're focusing on two different things here. I'm not thinking so much about the merits of the 24fps video experience vs. the 60fps video experience. I'm just focused on clean playback of the source content. If something was recorded in 24fps, I want to see it in 24fps. If something was recorded in 60fps, want to see it in 60fps. I'm more complaining about the automatic 24->60 (or 120 or 240) conversion that's enabled by default on a lot of new TVs. I'm not at all opposed to higher frame rate video, I like it. I've just never watched something on a TV where the 24->60 conversion didn't look significantly worse to me than playback at the native frame rate. Maybe my unconscious assumption is that people's preferences about the ideal frame rate can change over the years, but that reinterpolating the video to a different frame rate will always look worse than native, regardless of the source and destination frame rates. Maybe this isn't true, but that is my assumption.

brokenmachine 7y ago

If it says 200Hz on the box, it must be better than the one that's only 120Hz, right? This is the amount of research people do before buying something they'll stare at for 4h per day for the next 5 years... Never mind that the native framerate of the panel is only 60Hz. This is why we get Vivid HDR mode ("Torch mode") and motion smoothing enabled by default.