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A bunch of brand new junk whether it's teslas, electric scooters/bikes, or anything else that's new and green is obviously bad for the environment. What's bad f

A bunch of brand new junk whether it's teslas, electric scooters/bikes, or anything else that's new and green is obviously bad for the environment. What's bad for the environment is excess consumption of anything. All these new green products only offer marginal improvements over their "non" green counterparts and never address making the manufactuering process green, which counts for the vast majority of the emissions of almost all goods. If you care about the environment cut back your consumption of new shit. Go fix that bike in your garage and ride that to work.

drieddust 7y ago
These scooters are quickly becoming a hazard on the streets. It's not designed for one person, I have seen couples riding, multiple teeagers, parents with kids riding them for joy without any protection for head or body. These idiots are putting themselves and others at risk and when the ride is over then just drop them at random places and move on. Hell I have seen some parked in the middle of side walk blocking the way. At night people and cyclists can slam into them. I am amazed why the hell it's not illegal and it not saving anything as these are fun rides.
vkou 7y ago
> All these new green products only offer marginal improvements over their "non" green counterparts and never address making the manufactuering process green, which counts for the vast majority of the emissions of almost all goods. Not for cars, not by a long shot. The vast majority of carbon emissions of a car are after it rolls off the assembly line.
- kyruzic 7y ago
  Factually incorrect. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/20...
  - viraptor 7y ago
    This is very much an estimate... and I can't just take things like this: > If we do this, and then divide by the total emissions of the auto industry by the total amount of money spent on new cars, we reach a footprint of 720kg CO2e per £1000 spent. as true by default. They don't show why would that relation be true either. For example, you can find options that cost you many thousands more and amount to a few extra chips and different software.
    - kyruzic 7y ago
      It is an estimate but a close enough estimate to counter the claim that the vast majority of emissions are after production of the car.
  - ben_w 7y ago
    The carbon footprint of a new car: 6 tonnes CO2e: Citroen C1, basic spec 17 tonnes CO2e: Ford Mondeo, medium spec 35 tonnes CO2e: Land Rover Discovery, top of the range Assuming you drive them for 120,000 miles, that works out as 28.8/79.86/164.4 g/km, which for the first two [1] is less in all cases than their fuel consumption, and for the third that’s still true for all but the most efficient models of that brand. Secondly you (and the article) are assuming that the car gets scrapped rather than sold secondhand when the owner replaces it. Thirdly, what are the CO2 costs of maintenance? This is important in particular if you believe the manufacturing is the primary concern, because the replacement parts have to be manufactured. [1] I just checked Mondeo and am confused why their CO2 emissions vary from 99 to 254 g/km — why does such all broad range of vehicles share the same model name?

drieddust 7y ago

These scooters are quickly becoming a hazard on the streets. It's not designed for one person, I have seen couples riding, multiple teeagers, parents with kids riding them for joy without any protection for head or body. These idiots are putting themselves and others at risk and when the ride is over then just drop them at random places and move on. Hell I have seen some parked in the middle of side walk blocking the way. At night people and cyclists can slam into them. I am amazed why the hell it's not illegal and it not saving anything as these are fun rides.

vkou 7y ago

> All these new green products only offer marginal improvements over their "non" green counterparts and never address making the manufactuering process green, which counts for the vast majority of the emissions of almost all goods. Not for cars, not by a long shot. The vast majority of carbon emissions of a car are after it rolls off the assembly line.

kyruzic 7y ago
Factually incorrect. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/20...
- viraptor 7y ago
  This is very much an estimate... and I can't just take things like this: > If we do this, and then divide by the total emissions of the auto industry by the total amount of money spent on new cars, we reach a footprint of 720kg CO2e per £1000 spent. as true by default. They don't show why would that relation be true either. For example, you can find options that cost you many thousands more and amount to a few extra chips and different software.
  - kyruzic 7y ago
    It is an estimate but a close enough estimate to counter the claim that the vast majority of emissions are after production of the car.
- ben_w 7y ago
  The carbon footprint of a new car: 6 tonnes CO2e: Citroen C1, basic spec 17 tonnes CO2e: Ford Mondeo, medium spec 35 tonnes CO2e: Land Rover Discovery, top of the range Assuming you drive them for 120,000 miles, that works out as 28.8/79.86/164.4 g/km, which for the first two [1] is less in all cases than their fuel consumption, and for the third that’s still true for all but the most efficient models of that brand. Secondly you (and the article) are assuming that the car gets scrapped rather than sold secondhand when the owner replaces it. Thirdly, what are the CO2 costs of maintenance? This is important in particular if you believe the manufacturing is the primary concern, because the replacement parts have to be manufactured. [1] I just checked Mondeo and am confused why their CO2 emissions vary from 99 to 254 g/km — why does such all broad range of vehicles share the same model name?