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> Yes, I am not sure why you are continuing to argue - I got it already. No, you sure didn't. > Will it help if I admitted that Apple invented sliced bread?

• blinkingled 16y ago
  > Notice how beside ad hominens you don't provide any arguments in this "reply"? I provided my arguments in my original reply. You then switched to saying Gruber and Arment are always right. I then asked you the definition of right you and me can accept. You did not give one explicitly but it sounded like your definition of right was "whatever Apple does and whatever I perceive" - just like Gruber and Arment. Which to me isn't objective. So I did the next logical thing - agreed that you agree to your convictions about Apple. It's hard to argue with people who invariably talk only positively and mostly subjectively (it just 'feels' right) about even somewhat complex subjects which require actually defining things, having a lack of bias and use of analytical skills. For the Apple camp - the simplistic rule is "What Apple does is right - if what they do changes, so does what is right". So for example when Apple gets market share - market share is the king and when they start losing it, suddenly that is no longer worth discussing - profits are. Shifting goal posts. You don't hear the Apple fans complain about anything Apple - the ridiculous positioning of USB ports on MBP for e.g. - for a company and its fans that pride themselves with superior usability - this apparently is no problem at all. That's biased and you can't really argue with biased people other than to say - ok, to you your own. That is not to say Apple hasn't done great things - but it is also non-sensical to say everything they have done is right and everything anyone else is doing and will do in future will end up being crap - that's essentially what Arment says in that post. And you will get no further discussion from me if that's what you want to subscribe to.