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The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they ha

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

fastball 7y ago
But what will the universities do without all that nice Chinese student revenue?
lxe 7y ago
Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!
- 4ntonius8lock 7y ago
  In most countries, not committing crimes is a condition of residence. When you are a resident, you are a guest to a country and must act accordingly. Getting kicked out would be the logical extension AFTER a criminal trial and possible incarceration. Saying we should remove criminal guests from any country, is IMO a logical point.
- monksy 7y ago
  They should be caught, tried and charged under Australian laws. Most countries have in their laws that people will be removed for the major crimes (violence etc). If you're in a country where you are not a citizen you are a guest. You wouldn't go to someone's house, create a lot of trouble, and then expect to be able to stay do you?
  - addicted 7y ago
    The guest framing applies equally to the people supporting the Hong Kong protests. Students shouldn't behave like guests in countries which value freedom of speech. However, students who engage in violence and intimidation should certainly be removed from the University based on the rules almost every University has regarding what constitutes acceptable behavior, and in this case it seems they would also have broken laws by attacking the original protestors.
    - monksy 7y ago
      I got the impression he was referring to the counter "protestors", (if you're "protesting" in a violent way.. that's a riot, not a protest). My understanding of the counter-protesters were not citizens of Australia. Despite being a student, it doesn't change that they're guests. This is frequently warned on the State department's travel guides. NEVER join in on foreign protests, not all countries have the same rights in those reguards.
- ginko 7y ago
  Presumably one would lead to the other.
- deleted 7y ago
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- parsimo2010 7y ago
  Maybe don't jump straight toward someone being a nationalistic bigot right away. Due process should be followed, but pushing anti-democratic views is quite literally a reason to have your visa cancelled in Australia, even if no other crimes have occurred. If a crime is also committed, then maybe they should spend some time in jail before removal. However, considering that it doesn't look like the violence was particularly grievous (bruised ribs and a chipped tooth seem to be the worst of it), placing them in jail is probably just an extra burden on the penal system before they would be removed anyway. "Not be disruptive" is a very common visa condition, and promoting violence, threatening harm, or interrupting the operation of the Australian community (which a university is a part of) is grounds to have your visa cancelled. Considering that some physical altercations also took place should make the vase very solid. Check the student visa (subclass 500) conditions here: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/already-have-a-visa/check-visa-details-and-conditions/see-your-visa-conditions https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/already-have-a-visa/ch...
- friendlybus 7y ago
  Even hotter take: let's buy and warm up some nukes. Australia is looking to buy nukes on public government TV atm, because the next 20-30years of china's future is looking uncertain. If a China war kicks off, Australia is going to be the front line.
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_bxg1 7y ago
Honestly, even if the university is too scared to take an actual stance, assaulting a fellow student should be grounds for expulsion by itself.
xmly 7y ago
Agree. But violent pro HK protestors should also be punished under law
- tossAfterUsing 7y ago
  Which violent protesters are you referring to? Which law? Why should they be punished?
fqye 7y ago
There was another side of the story. Another video of this particular event shared among Mainland Chinese students showed that the HK students picked fight first and one female HK side student faked fall to ground after the Mainland side tried to push her away gently. Chinese students were angered by the selective coverage by BBC. BBC was also criticized for its selective coverage of HK protect that became riot. The most criticized case was a video showing a police officer pointing a short gun at protesters. There was a few minutes of video before that showing mobs attacked and beaten some police officers then this particular officer loaded the shotgun with rubber bullets. HK protect started peacefully now turned into riot with no clear political purpose. The extradition bill is dead already. I haven't heard any clear political demand from those protesters afterwards. It could hardly be called pro-democracy demonstration now.

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

fastball 7y ago

But what will the universities do without all that nice Chinese student revenue?

lxe 7y ago

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

4ntonius8lock 7y ago
In most countries, not committing crimes is a condition of residence. When you are a resident, you are a guest to a country and must act accordingly. Getting kicked out would be the logical extension AFTER a criminal trial and possible incarceration. Saying we should remove criminal guests from any country, is IMO a logical point.
monksy 7y ago
They should be caught, tried and charged under Australian laws. Most countries have in their laws that people will be removed for the major crimes (violence etc). If you're in a country where you are not a citizen you are a guest. You wouldn't go to someone's house, create a lot of trouble, and then expect to be able to stay do you?
- addicted 7y ago
  The guest framing applies equally to the people supporting the Hong Kong protests. Students shouldn't behave like guests in countries which value freedom of speech. However, students who engage in violence and intimidation should certainly be removed from the University based on the rules almost every University has regarding what constitutes acceptable behavior, and in this case it seems they would also have broken laws by attacking the original protestors.
  - monksy 7y ago
    I got the impression he was referring to the counter "protestors", (if you're "protesting" in a violent way.. that's a riot, not a protest). My understanding of the counter-protesters were not citizens of Australia. Despite being a student, it doesn't change that they're guests. This is frequently warned on the State department's travel guides. NEVER join in on foreign protests, not all countries have the same rights in those reguards.
ginko 7y ago
Presumably one would lead to the other.
deleted 7y ago
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parsimo2010 7y ago
Maybe don't jump straight toward someone being a nationalistic bigot right away. Due process should be followed, but pushing anti-democratic views is quite literally a reason to have your visa cancelled in Australia, even if no other crimes have occurred. If a crime is also committed, then maybe they should spend some time in jail before removal. However, considering that it doesn't look like the violence was particularly grievous (bruised ribs and a chipped tooth seem to be the worst of it), placing them in jail is probably just an extra burden on the penal system before they would be removed anyway. "Not be disruptive" is a very common visa condition, and promoting violence, threatening harm, or interrupting the operation of the Australian community (which a university is a part of) is grounds to have your visa cancelled. Considering that some physical altercations also took place should make the vase very solid. Check the student visa (subclass 500) conditions here: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/already-have-a-visa/check-visa-details-and-conditions/see-your-visa-conditions https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/already-have-a-visa/ch...
friendlybus 7y ago
Even hotter take: let's buy and warm up some nukes. Australia is looking to buy nukes on public government TV atm, because the next 20-30years of china's future is looking uncertain. If a China war kicks off, Australia is going to be the front line.
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_bxg1 7y ago

Honestly, even if the university is too scared to take an actual stance, assaulting a fellow student should be grounds for expulsion by itself.

xmly 7y ago

Agree. But violent pro HK protestors should also be punished under law

tossAfterUsing 7y ago
Which violent protesters are you referring to? Which law? Why should they be punished?

fqye 7y ago

There was another side of the story. Another video of this particular event shared among Mainland Chinese students showed that the HK students picked fight first and one female HK side student faked fall to ground after the Mainland side tried to push her away gently. Chinese students were angered by the selective coverage by BBC. BBC was also criticized for its selective coverage of HK protect that became riot. The most criticized case was a video showing a police officer pointing a short gun at protesters. There was a few minutes of video before that showing mobs attacked and beaten some police officers then this particular officer loaded the shotgun with rubber bullets. HK protect started peacefully now turned into riot with no clear political purpose. The extradition bill is dead already. I haven't heard any clear political demand from those protesters afterwards. It could hardly be called pro-democracy demonstration now.