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Teaching should be qualified on certifications only, of which a degree is not a qualifier. Good teachers are under paid, bad teachers are over paid, why suppor

Teaching should be qualified on certifications only, of which a degree is not a qualifier. Good teachers are under paid, bad teachers are over paid, why support the system? Don't use public schools. I would say that most 4 year degrees are mostly 'useless' knowledge. I would say most high schools are mostly useless knowledge. I don't know what society is optimizing for, I think it's optimizing for more and more expensive education.

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povertyworld 7y ago
As much as I like to believe people can teach themselves anything, if you look at places like Kaggle, there are really no self-taught people. It's just a parade of Phd holders and grad students. I'm sure there are one or two, but clearly for most people coughing up the dough for a Computer Science / Data Science degree is indeed worth it.
- autokad 7y ago
  I agree with your statements, but dont forget the people who value education are the same ones with degrees and the same ones who self learn. when I was amazed at how we can now take classes at schools like Havard for free on Coursera, my nephew was like 'well what do i get out of it?' *face palm likewise with kaggle. I love participating on it when I have time, but when people who want to be data scientists but dont have a masters/phd and no experience, I tell them to participate there. They always say, I dont want to do that, what else? =|
socrates1998 7y ago
Don't use public schools? What do you propose instead? What should teenagers do instead of learn how to read, write and do math?
- linuxftw 7y ago
  If you're still learning how to read, write, and do basic math as a teenager, society has failed you. I propose homeschooling or private schooling for those who can afford it. I have determined that the public school curriculum is trash, the people creating it are trash, and the people teaching it are trash. If you want trash students, please, send them to trash schools.
  - socrates1998 7y ago
    Homeschooling is mostly awful. Parents don't have the time or skill to teach students properly. You don't really propose anything that can help, you just say everything is "trash". If a man meets one asshole, then that's unlucky, if a man meets a 100 assholes, then maybe he's the asshole. If you went through 4 years of high school and had only "trash" experiences, maybe the school wasn't the problem. If you can't propose anything of value or any real ways to improve our flawed system, then you opinions are essentially useless.
    - FloatArtifact 7y ago
      > Homeschooling is mostly awful. Parents don't have the time or skill to teach students properly. Care to back that up with some data...
      - linuxftw 7y ago
        We're all about challenging societal norms here. Except public school, never question it's authority and place in society.
        socrates1998 7y ago
        Once again, you have zero suggestions for how to school 99% of the population. Homeschooling isn't feasible (or preferable) to a majority of the population, so unless you suggest something else, then you are just complaining. It's like you are bitching about having a military, but you don't suggest another way to protect our country.

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povertyworld 7y ago

As much as I like to believe people can teach themselves anything, if you look at places like Kaggle, there are really no self-taught people. It's just a parade of Phd holders and grad students. I'm sure there are one or two, but clearly for most people coughing up the dough for a Computer Science / Data Science degree is indeed worth it.

autokad 7y ago
I agree with your statements, but dont forget the people who value education are the same ones with degrees and the same ones who self learn. when I was amazed at how we can now take classes at schools like Havard for free on Coursera, my nephew was like 'well what do i get out of it?' *face palm likewise with kaggle. I love participating on it when I have time, but when people who want to be data scientists but dont have a masters/phd and no experience, I tell them to participate there. They always say, I dont want to do that, what else? =|

socrates1998 7y ago

Don't use public schools? What do you propose instead? What should teenagers do instead of learn how to read, write and do math?

linuxftw 7y ago
If you're still learning how to read, write, and do basic math as a teenager, society has failed you. I propose homeschooling or private schooling for those who can afford it. I have determined that the public school curriculum is trash, the people creating it are trash, and the people teaching it are trash. If you want trash students, please, send them to trash schools.
- socrates1998 7y ago
  Homeschooling is mostly awful. Parents don't have the time or skill to teach students properly. You don't really propose anything that can help, you just say everything is "trash". If a man meets one asshole, then that's unlucky, if a man meets a 100 assholes, then maybe he's the asshole. If you went through 4 years of high school and had only "trash" experiences, maybe the school wasn't the problem. If you can't propose anything of value or any real ways to improve our flawed system, then you opinions are essentially useless.
  - FloatArtifact 7y ago
    > Homeschooling is mostly awful. Parents don't have the time or skill to teach students properly. Care to back that up with some data...
    - linuxftw 7y ago
      We're all about challenging societal norms here. Except public school, never question it's authority and place in society.
      - socrates1998 7y ago
        Once again, you have zero suggestions for how to school 99% of the population. Homeschooling isn't feasible (or preferable) to a majority of the population, so unless you suggest something else, then you are just complaining. It's like you are bitching about having a military, but you don't suggest another way to protect our country.