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True, nevertheless the current stack(s) for developing needs to be drastically improved as long as it is meant to be a platform for building apps and not only f

True, nevertheless the current stack(s) for developing needs to be drastically improved as long as it is meant to be a platform for building apps and not only for publishing documents. I recall how easy and fun it was to build apps with Delphi and alike IDEs and now the whole React&Friends stack scares the shit out of me.

tru3_power 7y ago
What scares you about it? React seems pretty easy to use?
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  When I make a WinForms app in VisualStudio I just drag-drop controls, click them and adjust properties the way I want, then click the controls and write the code which is going to execute in particular events. I have never had to learn this, I didn't need a single tutorial. Once upon a time I've just got a junior C# developer job (without knowing anything but basic C++ and SQL), were given a computer and a real task and implemented a reasonable good-looking (looking and feeling the way common to all the Windows apps) business app that went straight to production just in some hours. And I didn't need anything but intuition and the API reference. It felt exactly like playing Lego. Despite I also know basic HTML, CSS and JavaScript (I've learnt during the WindowsNT4 years) I have no bloody idea of what to do to get an approximately same result with today web-based front-end technologies. I've seen some React code and it seems pretty extraterrestrial. What scares me is the amount of what I need to learn before I can produce a useful application. And it seems (and feels the scariest) Photoshop and the art of visual design are on the list.
- dmitriid 7y ago
  Open a SwiftUI tutorial and build the same thing in React + CSS. By the time you've thrown your laptop out of a window trying to make elements stay in correct positions relative to each other and the page, a desktop or a mobile developer will have shipped a production-ready app with 10 times the number of layouts and features. Hell, a dev from 2000 will have shipped 10 times the amount of layouts in half the time with Delphi or C++ Builder. Edit: Someone linked Figma's blog post on how they ended up "creating a browser inside a browser" for their complex and amazing app to work: https://www.figma.com/blog/building-a-professional-design-tool-on-the-web/ https://www.figma.com/blog/building-a-professional-design-to...
megaman821 7y ago
If you are throwing RAD tooling in, aren't things like WooForms and SquareSpace in the same arena?
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  Can they produce an app you can run on a server (or localhost) of your own?
  - omnimus 7y ago
    Webflow can make you the ui part that you can host. In fact i think lot of devs start to use it this way.

tru3_power 7y ago

What scares you about it? React seems pretty easy to use?

qwerty456127 7y ago
When I make a WinForms app in VisualStudio I just drag-drop controls, click them and adjust properties the way I want, then click the controls and write the code which is going to execute in particular events. I have never had to learn this, I didn't need a single tutorial. Once upon a time I've just got a junior C# developer job (without knowing anything but basic C++ and SQL), were given a computer and a real task and implemented a reasonable good-looking (looking and feeling the way common to all the Windows apps) business app that went straight to production just in some hours. And I didn't need anything but intuition and the API reference. It felt exactly like playing Lego. Despite I also know basic HTML, CSS and JavaScript (I've learnt during the WindowsNT4 years) I have no bloody idea of what to do to get an approximately same result with today web-based front-end technologies. I've seen some React code and it seems pretty extraterrestrial. What scares me is the amount of what I need to learn before I can produce a useful application. And it seems (and feels the scariest) Photoshop and the art of visual design are on the list.
dmitriid 7y ago
Open a SwiftUI tutorial and build the same thing in React + CSS. By the time you've thrown your laptop out of a window trying to make elements stay in correct positions relative to each other and the page, a desktop or a mobile developer will have shipped a production-ready app with 10 times the number of layouts and features. Hell, a dev from 2000 will have shipped 10 times the amount of layouts in half the time with Delphi or C++ Builder. Edit: Someone linked Figma's blog post on how they ended up "creating a browser inside a browser" for their complex and amazing app to work: https://www.figma.com/blog/building-a-professional-design-tool-on-the-web/ https://www.figma.com/blog/building-a-professional-design-to...

megaman821 7y ago

If you are throwing RAD tooling in, aren't things like WooForms and SquareSpace in the same arena?

qwerty456127 7y ago
Can they produce an app you can run on a server (or localhost) of your own?
- omnimus 7y ago
  Webflow can make you the ui part that you can host. In fact i think lot of devs start to use it this way.