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Call it what it is: White nationalistic terrorism, don't sugar coat it and call it "extremists".

g00s3_caLL_x2 7y ago
They need to do the same with Antifa. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you associate with, violence...is violence.
- senorjazz 7y ago
  Then what about the military? The police? They are both violent. But terrorism is not just violence. Terrorism doesn't have to be violent although most often is.
  - duxup 7y ago
    There certainly are quite a few efforts to deal with how police respond to situations.
  - theandrewbailey 7y ago
    Perhaps the poster meant political violence? A police shootout is very different from people beating each other in the street over political views.
  - g00s3_caLL_x2 7y ago
    So you're saying that Antifa is NOT a terrorist organization? The military and police are legal organizations who's part and parcel at times includes violence. I could pull any number of articles that refuse to label them (Antifa) as terrorist or even left wing radicals. Q Anon seems to be more of a 'think tank' or even an idealism. How exactly do you make the jump to 'white nationalist terrorism'? Because they seem to be against the left? Against corruption? Can you link anything that would tie the two together? If you legitimately can, I'd love to read and research it. I'm not pro-antifa or Q anon, but your comment seems to be mental hopscotch with no legitimate foundation on facts.
- hedora 7y ago
  The FBI did exactly this (at least as early as April 2016, under Obama), and continues to do so: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235 https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesv... I’m not sure why people keep claiming the FBI doesn’t investigate Antifa. I guess it doesn’t fit in with the QAnon conspiracy theory.
  - g00s3_caLL_x2 7y ago
    I never said the FBI. I'm speaking to media in general. Most articles involving Antifa refuse to call them terrorist or even left winged radicals. Again, I'm only seeing a snap judgement and a quick fired response made in haste while interjecting hyperbole.
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- bediger4000 7y ago
  There's a degree of "whataboutism" to your statement. The article is about conspiracy theory extremists, who haven't typically been included in the "terrorist" grouping. It seems like you're trying to drag something unrelated (antifa) into the discussion.
  - g00s3_caLL_x2 7y ago
    I was replying to user alexk307 in my response, who's comment was: "Call it what it is: White nationalistic terrorism, don't sugar coat it and call it "extremists"." My understanding is that QAnon does not march around and say "HERE WE ARE WE ARE QANON!" so to say they are 'white nationalistic terrorist' is an assumption. That type of language is very reminiscent of what Antifa spouts off, especially in the regards of "if you don't agree with me you are racist". There are far too many that have the spotlight of the media attention right now that follow this mindset. It is possible to disagree with someone and NOT be a racist, a bigot, a xyzphobe...or even WHITE. The majority of the media have lost the unbias and reporting of facts, and for everyone, this is a damn shame. Data, give us the data. Let us decide. Don't cram an agenda down our throats. Regardless of what side of the isle you're on, weather you sit or stand to pee, or how close to the equator your were born.
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dnissley 7y ago
I think that might be jumping the gun? That's a very popular meme but I'm not sure it's at all accurate -- I haven't heard a convincing case. Perhaps you could explain your thinking here? Here's my take: The FBI calls people involved with the earth liberation front "ecoterrorists". I don't think most people in the ELF would deny that their efforts are motivated by environmentalism, or oppose the "eco" label being applied to those efforts. The "extremists" described here would probably not say that they were motivated by "white nationalism" or a desire to ethnic cleanse non-white people. No doubt there are some of those out there, but certainly you couldn't describe the pizza gate attacker in that way, nor would they self-describe that way. I think the vague "extremist" label might be about as good as you could do, seeing as how unrelated some of these things are. You might be able to call it "right-wing extremism" but then you're making things partisan, and it's understandable that the FBI wouldn't want to do that.
- bediger4000 7y ago
  That dude "self-investigate" Comet Pingpong based on Pizzagate rumors, and ended up shooting hole(s) in the roof, didn't he? Then there's Anthony Comello killing Franceso Cali a few months ago, with Qanon things scrawled on his hands in court. The violence is already manifesting.
jquery 7y ago
How is believing there’s a cabal of child abusers and child trafficking high in our government and society white nationalist? I think PizzaGate is nonsense but it definitely sounds more like extremism than terrorism and that’s not “sugarcoating” things. Extremism can lead to terrorism but conflating the two is how you get political prisoners.
hedora 7y ago
Their sugar-coated terminology has me less worried than the fact that (according to the article) they’ve fired everyone that didn’t voluntarily leave the team responsible for investigating these groups.

They need to do the same with Antifa. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you associate with, violence...is violence.

senorjazz 7y ago
Then what about the military? The police? They are both violent. But terrorism is not just violence. Terrorism doesn't have to be violent although most often is.
- duxup 7y ago
  There certainly are quite a few efforts to deal with how police respond to situations.
- theandrewbailey 7y ago
  Perhaps the poster meant political violence? A police shootout is very different from people beating each other in the street over political views.
- g00s3_caLL_x2 7y ago
  So you're saying that Antifa is NOT a terrorist organization? The military and police are legal organizations who's part and parcel at times includes violence. I could pull any number of articles that refuse to label them (Antifa) as terrorist or even left wing radicals. Q Anon seems to be more of a 'think tank' or even an idealism. How exactly do you make the jump to 'white nationalist terrorism'? Because they seem to be against the left? Against corruption? Can you link anything that would tie the two together? If you legitimately can, I'd love to read and research it. I'm not pro-antifa or Q anon, but your comment seems to be mental hopscotch with no legitimate foundation on facts.
hedora 7y ago
The FBI did exactly this (at least as early as April 2016, under Obama), and continues to do so: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235 https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesv... I’m not sure why people keep claiming the FBI doesn’t investigate Antifa. I guess it doesn’t fit in with the QAnon conspiracy theory.
- g00s3_caLL_x2 7y ago
  I never said the FBI. I'm speaking to media in general. Most articles involving Antifa refuse to call them terrorist or even left winged radicals. Again, I'm only seeing a snap judgement and a quick fired response made in haste while interjecting hyperbole.
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bediger4000 7y ago
There's a degree of "whataboutism" to your statement. The article is about conspiracy theory extremists, who haven't typically been included in the "terrorist" grouping. It seems like you're trying to drag something unrelated (antifa) into the discussion.
- g00s3_caLL_x2 7y ago
  I was replying to user alexk307 in my response, who's comment was: "Call it what it is: White nationalistic terrorism, don't sugar coat it and call it "extremists"." My understanding is that QAnon does not march around and say "HERE WE ARE WE ARE QANON!" so to say they are 'white nationalistic terrorist' is an assumption. That type of language is very reminiscent of what Antifa spouts off, especially in the regards of "if you don't agree with me you are racist". There are far too many that have the spotlight of the media attention right now that follow this mindset. It is possible to disagree with someone and NOT be a racist, a bigot, a xyzphobe...or even WHITE. The majority of the media have lost the unbias and reporting of facts, and for everyone, this is a damn shame. Data, give us the data. Let us decide. Don't cram an agenda down our throats. Regardless of what side of the isle you're on, weather you sit or stand to pee, or how close to the equator your were born.

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dnissley 7y ago

I think that might be jumping the gun? That's a very popular meme but I'm not sure it's at all accurate -- I haven't heard a convincing case. Perhaps you could explain your thinking here? Here's my take: The FBI calls people involved with the earth liberation front "ecoterrorists". I don't think most people in the ELF would deny that their efforts are motivated by environmentalism, or oppose the "eco" label being applied to those efforts. The "extremists" described here would probably not say that they were motivated by "white nationalism" or a desire to ethnic cleanse non-white people. No doubt there are some of those out there, but certainly you couldn't describe the pizza gate attacker in that way, nor would they self-describe that way. I think the vague "extremist" label might be about as good as you could do, seeing as how unrelated some of these things are. You might be able to call it "right-wing extremism" but then you're making things partisan, and it's understandable that the FBI wouldn't want to do that.

bediger4000 7y ago
That dude "self-investigate" Comet Pingpong based on Pizzagate rumors, and ended up shooting hole(s) in the roof, didn't he? Then there's Anthony Comello killing Franceso Cali a few months ago, with Qanon things scrawled on his hands in court. The violence is already manifesting.

jquery 7y ago

How is believing there’s a cabal of child abusers and child trafficking high in our government and society white nationalist? I think PizzaGate is nonsense but it definitely sounds more like extremism than terrorism and that’s not “sugarcoating” things. Extremism can lead to terrorism but conflating the two is how you get political prisoners.

hedora 7y ago

Their sugar-coated terminology has me less worried than the fact that (according to the article) they’ve fired everyone that didn’t voluntarily leave the team responsible for investigating these groups.