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> When this story broke, I dipped into Apple’s terms of service myself and, though there are mentions of quality control for Siri and data being shared, I found

> When this story broke, I dipped into Apple’s terms of service myself and, though there are mentions of quality control for Siri and data being shared, I found that it did fall short of explicitly and plainly making it clear that live recordings, even short ones, are used in the process and may be transmitted and listened to. The implications of what they agree to are impossible to understand, by design. They're crafted by lawyers to be as vague and all-encompassing as possible. I actually read more than one story last year by some tech site claiming that no Siri data left your iphone at all. Even journalists who would love to stir up controversy have no idea what is going on. Its impossible to understand what is happening on our locked-down mobile devices

maaaats 7y ago
That's one thing I like with GDPR. It has to be informed consent for a lot of cases. Can't hide it and say you agreed to whatever in a hidden EULA.
- RL_Quine 7y ago
  The cookie warnings mostly end up being meaningless “WE NEED COOKIES TO WORK CLICK OK” on every website.
  - antisemiotic 7y ago
    ... and then the site proceeds to work just fine with cookies blocked.
  - netsharc 7y ago
    In my experience it's become that or "Open these sections and select 'No' on every item, meaning it'll be 20 more clicks before you can see the content of this page"
    - tjoff 7y ago
      That is not compliant with GDPR anyway. Appreciate that you now know they absolutely despise their users and take action by never using that site again.
  - tjoff 7y ago
    The cookie warnings are not about GDPR.
  - Quanttek 7y ago
    The cookie warnings are not a consequence of the GDPR (remember they've been there before) and also only need to be done when you have non-essential cookies on your site (i.e. tracking, ads)
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  Yup. And since they can't legally do much to infringe on my privacy without asking for my explicit, informed consent, I can safely ignore most TOS updates, safe in the knowledge that if they hide some privacy-abusing bits in the TOS, then they have a problem.

maaaats 7y ago

That's one thing I like with GDPR. It has to be informed consent for a lot of cases. Can't hide it and say you agreed to whatever in a hidden EULA.

RL_Quine 7y ago
The cookie warnings mostly end up being meaningless “WE NEED COOKIES TO WORK CLICK OK” on every website.
- antisemiotic 7y ago
  ... and then the site proceeds to work just fine with cookies blocked.
- netsharc 7y ago
  In my experience it's become that or "Open these sections and select 'No' on every item, meaning it'll be 20 more clicks before you can see the content of this page"
  - tjoff 7y ago
    That is not compliant with GDPR anyway. Appreciate that you now know they absolutely despise their users and take action by never using that site again.
- tjoff 7y ago
  The cookie warnings are not about GDPR.
- Quanttek 7y ago
  The cookie warnings are not a consequence of the GDPR (remember they've been there before) and also only need to be done when you have non-essential cookies on your site (i.e. tracking, ads)
TeMPOraL 7y ago
Yup. And since they can't legally do much to infringe on my privacy without asking for my explicit, informed consent, I can safely ignore most TOS updates, safe in the knowledge that if they hide some privacy-abusing bits in the TOS, then they have a problem.