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What about the, let's say past 4.5 Billion years? Is there a slight chance that this is a scam? Do elites and their governments throw bombs on innocent civilian

What about the, let's say past 4.5 Billion years? Is there a slight chance that this is a scam? Do elites and their governments throw bombs on innocent civilians? Is there a slight chance they could be lying about climate change? Do SO many climatologists really agree on man-made climate change? Many don't. Still, we must protect our environment. Pollution is horrible and it needs to be addressed.

kalado 7y ago
Yes, actually. 98% agree on man-made climate change. 2% (not many) don't. The higher the expertise of the climatologist the more likely they are to agree as well. Or, only the incompetent ones disagree. https://web.archive.org/web/20151106083011/http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20151106083011/http://tigger.uic... https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-conse...
lumberjack 7y ago
What is more likely? That some climate scientists are scamming the whole world and making enemies of the most powerful governments in North America, Europe, Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC + all the billionaires and corporations and investment funds invested in Coal&Oil&Gas&EnergyUtilities, and they have somehow maintained this lie for decades out in the open, somehow managing to fool everyone, and with convenient climate change all over the world to somehow coincide with their lies? Or the other option, that your political understanding of the world is lacking?
tzs 7y ago
> What about the, let's say past 4.5 Billion years? That's not really relevant, is it? The issues with the climate change happening now is that it is man-made, and that we've built most of our civilization around the assumption that the climate was either not changing, or was changing very slowly. If something was causing increase flooding in, say, Nebraska, would you bring up that Nebraska was hundreds of meters below water 100 million years ago? If an arsonist were setting wildfires in your your near inhabited areas, would you bring up that there have been wildfires for hundreds of thousands of years due to lighting? And yes, we know that most of the present day climate change is man-made, because we know that most of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere during industrial times is man-made. We know that because CO2 that comes from burning fossil fuels and plants has a different isotope makeup than CO2 that comes from other sources.

kalado 7y ago

Yes, actually. 98% agree on man-made climate change. 2% (not many) don't. The higher the expertise of the climatologist the more likely they are to agree as well. Or, only the incompetent ones disagree. https://web.archive.org/web/20151106083011/http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20151106083011/http://tigger.uic... https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-conse...

lumberjack 7y ago

What is more likely? That some climate scientists are scamming the whole world and making enemies of the most powerful governments in North America, Europe, Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC + all the billionaires and corporations and investment funds invested in Coal&Oil&Gas&EnergyUtilities, and they have somehow maintained this lie for decades out in the open, somehow managing to fool everyone, and with convenient climate change all over the world to somehow coincide with their lies? Or the other option, that your political understanding of the world is lacking?

tzs 7y ago

> What about the, let's say past 4.5 Billion years? That's not really relevant, is it? The issues with the climate change happening now is that it is man-made, and that we've built most of our civilization around the assumption that the climate was either not changing, or was changing very slowly. If something was causing increase flooding in, say, Nebraska, would you bring up that Nebraska was hundreds of meters below water 100 million years ago? If an arsonist were setting wildfires in your your near inhabited areas, would you bring up that there have been wildfires for hundreds of thousands of years due to lighting? And yes, we know that most of the present day climate change is man-made, because we know that most of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere during industrial times is man-made. We know that because CO2 that comes from burning fossil fuels and plants has a different isotope makeup than CO2 that comes from other sources.