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It's certainly the nature of the culture we inherited. You can look at alternative cultures folks have maintained where they don't spread out as rapidly as poss

It's certainly the nature of the culture we inherited. You can look at alternative cultures folks have maintained where they don't spread out as rapidly as possible and have some base notion of conservation and environmentalism and it seems like those folks have a pretty good situation too. Ever consider re-prioritizing and leading by example?

tathougies 7y ago
What about understanding how the world works makes me automatically part of the problem? I do disagree that there are other cultures with a 'better' notion. Culture matters, but nkt that much in the long run when theres status at stake
- KirinDave 7y ago
  > What about understanding how the world works makes me automatically part of the problem? Pretend, for just a moment, that my proposition was true (as I obviously believe it to be). In that case, you've identified yourself as part of the problem. Especially so because you suggest that your prioritization is inevitable and therefore must be assumed. > I do disagree that there are other cultures with a 'better' notion. We can look at the development patterns of some other nations. Not all are so spread out, and not all believe that environmentalism is pointless. > Culture matters, but nkt that much in the long run when theres status at stake There's lots of ways to get status.
  - tathougies 7y ago
    > Especially so because you suggest that your prioritization is inevitable and therefore must be assumed. My friend I can guarantee you that despite what I do I will not change the prioritization of half a billion people. An individuals inability or past history of not doing something does not make him or her culpable of supporting the system. By your own measure you too fully support the system I am criticizing. > We can look at the development patterns of some other nations. Not all are so spread out, and not all believe that environmentalism is pointless Other nations that have developed in the presence and utilising the products of many other nations that do not share their beliefs. > There's lots of ways to get status And yet none of such import on the world stage that you can name it
    - KirinDave 7y ago
      > And yet none of such import on the world stage that you can name it You're demanding that an alternative value system have value to you BEFORE you will consider it. This is not very realistic or sensible for obvious reasons. You're also suggesting your socialization is an inevitable product of human nature. Evolutionary Psychology has been split down the middle on this subject for some time,so I'm skeptical that you can resolve the debate that actual experts can't.

tathougies 7y ago

What about understanding how the world works makes me automatically part of the problem? I do disagree that there are other cultures with a 'better' notion. Culture matters, but nkt that much in the long run when theres status at stake

KirinDave 7y ago
> What about understanding how the world works makes me automatically part of the problem? Pretend, for just a moment, that my proposition was true (as I obviously believe it to be). In that case, you've identified yourself as part of the problem. Especially so because you suggest that your prioritization is inevitable and therefore must be assumed. > I do disagree that there are other cultures with a 'better' notion. We can look at the development patterns of some other nations. Not all are so spread out, and not all believe that environmentalism is pointless. > Culture matters, but nkt that much in the long run when theres status at stake There's lots of ways to get status.
- tathougies 7y ago
  > Especially so because you suggest that your prioritization is inevitable and therefore must be assumed. My friend I can guarantee you that despite what I do I will not change the prioritization of half a billion people. An individuals inability or past history of not doing something does not make him or her culpable of supporting the system. By your own measure you too fully support the system I am criticizing. > We can look at the development patterns of some other nations. Not all are so spread out, and not all believe that environmentalism is pointless Other nations that have developed in the presence and utilising the products of many other nations that do not share their beliefs. > There's lots of ways to get status And yet none of such import on the world stage that you can name it
  - KirinDave 7y ago
    > And yet none of such import on the world stage that you can name it You're demanding that an alternative value system have value to you BEFORE you will consider it. This is not very realistic or sensible for obvious reasons. You're also suggesting your socialization is an inevitable product of human nature. Evolutionary Psychology has been split down the middle on this subject for some time,so I'm skeptical that you can resolve the debate that actual experts can't.