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> entire nature of conspiracy theories A conspiracy theory is, very simply, a theory about the existence of a conspiracy. You're implying that such theories w

by ColanR 7y ago

> entire nature of conspiracy theories A conspiracy theory is, very simply, a theory about the existence of a conspiracy. You're implying that such theories will focus on false positives; but you're completely omitting that sometimes, 'theories about the existence of a conspiracy' turn out to be true.

tptacek 7y ago
I'm saying "this conspiracy involves a documented series of facts that are hard to explain together" doesn't say anything about the validity of the theory. If there are other conspiracy theories you feel don't trade on this phenomenon, fine, but it's the phenomenon at play in QAnon and in the comment I replied to.
- ColanR 7y ago
  > "this conspiracy involves a documented series of facts that are hard to explain together" I mean, that's a pretty good summary of the 'government surveilance' conspiracy theory, right up until the point Snowden proved it true. As I read someone else say, some people are more attuned to much fainter signals; most of them are false patterns in noise, but sometimes they aren't. I just don't think we should throw the occasional baby out with the bathwater. EDIT: I also don't think discussing such things should be a national security threat, which seems to me the actual story here.
  - ezekg 7y ago
    Indeed. I originally thought the Q and pizzagate stuff was completely crazy when people in my circle would mention it. But then I got curious and started digging into it here and there, and saw all these pizzagate photos on Instagram pushing pedophilia (which the media completely ignored in all their stories defending the place). And then the weird photos of parties with known political figures, hosted by known cultists. The so-called “rabbit hole” only gets deeper from there, going into the Clintons bailing out a child trafficker in Haiti, only for the lawyer of said bail to get arrested for involvement in one of the biggest trafficking rings in Haiti, and finally, the woman who was bailed out changes her name and gets a job at the company who sends out amber alerts. And there’s Epstein and his ties to political figures and to people in power, which Q has been talking about for a long time. There comes a certain point where you can’t explain away all of the gnarly things that have been uncovered by the anons. I would like to see a factual “debunk” of the things uncovered from the QAnon movement, but I’ve yet to find one that isn’t simply a baseless hit piece by the media.

by ColanR 7y ago

tptacek 7y ago

I'm saying "this conspiracy involves a documented series of facts that are hard to explain together" doesn't say anything about the validity of the theory. If there are other conspiracy theories you feel don't trade on this phenomenon, fine, but it's the phenomenon at play in QAnon and in the comment I replied to.

ColanR 7y ago
> "this conspiracy involves a documented series of facts that are hard to explain together" I mean, that's a pretty good summary of the 'government surveilance' conspiracy theory, right up until the point Snowden proved it true. As I read someone else say, some people are more attuned to much fainter signals; most of them are false patterns in noise, but sometimes they aren't. I just don't think we should throw the occasional baby out with the bathwater. EDIT: I also don't think discussing such things should be a national security threat, which seems to me the actual story here.
- ezekg 7y ago
  Indeed. I originally thought the Q and pizzagate stuff was completely crazy when people in my circle would mention it. But then I got curious and started digging into it here and there, and saw all these pizzagate photos on Instagram pushing pedophilia (which the media completely ignored in all their stories defending the place). And then the weird photos of parties with known political figures, hosted by known cultists. The so-called “rabbit hole” only gets deeper from there, going into the Clintons bailing out a child trafficker in Haiti, only for the lawyer of said bail to get arrested for involvement in one of the biggest trafficking rings in Haiti, and finally, the woman who was bailed out changes her name and gets a job at the company who sends out amber alerts. And there’s Epstein and his ties to political figures and to people in power, which Q has been talking about for a long time. There comes a certain point where you can’t explain away all of the gnarly things that have been uncovered by the anons. I would like to see a factual “debunk” of the things uncovered from the QAnon movement, but I’ve yet to find one that isn’t simply a baseless hit piece by the media.