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How is it contrived when it's happened again and again historically?

imgabe 7y ago
Really? Saudi Arabia has historically, again and again, used facial recognition data collected by the NYPD to hunt down people who went to gay clubs in NYC, who for some reason spontaneously "end up" in Saudi Arabia via some unspecified process they can't control?
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  Look up the history of the helpful IBM census machines just before WWII.
  - imgabe 7y ago
    Yeah, remember when that happened and then we banned governments from using electronic records or computer data processing? I guess that's why the government keeps all their records on paper now and does all of the processing by hand. Because computers were used for something evil once so it must be the inanimate objects that are themselves inherently evil and not, you know, the people using them. What a weird, reactionary, alarmist stance to be so prevalent on a supposedly technology based forum.
    - mixmastamyk 7y ago
      Christ, how naive. Do you think people have changed any? Different groups are taking advantage of these records every day. It happened in the past and will in the future. The only thing limiting the most horrible examples is opportunity. That's why we must limit our exposure to those who would do us harm. I also recommend a reading of the history behind the "bill of rights."
      - imgabe 7y ago
        Are you counting the NYPD among "those who would do us harm"? Because that is what the actual exposure is here. This talk about Saudi Arabia is hypothetical nonsense. TFA is talking about the NYPD using facial recognition to suggest a possible lead to human detectives, who would then use actual judgement to decide if a match to a five year old photo of an eleven year old is something that is likely to be worth pursuing. If your position is that this is the equivalent of SS soldiers breaking down your door and hauling you away to a concentration camp, then I honestly don't know why you aren't in the street rioting right now. We could have a useful discussion about realistic pros and cons of things that are actually happening if people would leave off of the nonsensical hyperbole for like, a fucking second.
        mixmastamyk 7y ago
        Definitely. Police are doing real harm (and good) every day. And are dying to get their hands on technology to make their jobs easier with no thought to negative consequences to others. The most effective way to fix abuses is to prevent them in the first place. We restrict govts and police by design, a need recognized for centuries. If a capability can be abused, it will be abused. Not if, when. That's the last reply such a shortsighted argument will get. (Also, am not restricted to other's problematic examples upthread.)
        mixmastamyk 7y ago
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/07/07/fbi-ice-find-state-drivers-license-photos-are-gold-mine-facial-recognition-searches/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/07/07/fbi-ice... No one voted for this or gave their permission. This is what happens when you don't keep law enforcement on a short leash.
jdnenej 7y ago
The next Hitler will be horiffyingly more efficient when they can track everyone by their phone location and know a history of everyone they interacted with as well as facial recognition on every street.

Really? Saudi Arabia has historically, again and again, used facial recognition data collected by the NYPD to hunt down people who went to gay clubs in NYC, who for some reason spontaneously "end up" in Saudi Arabia via some unspecified process they can't control?

mixmastamyk 7y ago
Look up the history of the helpful IBM census machines just before WWII.
- imgabe 7y ago
  Yeah, remember when that happened and then we banned governments from using electronic records or computer data processing? I guess that's why the government keeps all their records on paper now and does all of the processing by hand. Because computers were used for something evil once so it must be the inanimate objects that are themselves inherently evil and not, you know, the people using them. What a weird, reactionary, alarmist stance to be so prevalent on a supposedly technology based forum.
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    Christ, how naive. Do you think people have changed any? Different groups are taking advantage of these records every day. It happened in the past and will in the future. The only thing limiting the most horrible examples is opportunity. That's why we must limit our exposure to those who would do us harm. I also recommend a reading of the history behind the "bill of rights."
    - imgabe 7y ago
      Are you counting the NYPD among "those who would do us harm"? Because that is what the actual exposure is here. This talk about Saudi Arabia is hypothetical nonsense. TFA is talking about the NYPD using facial recognition to suggest a possible lead to human detectives, who would then use actual judgement to decide if a match to a five year old photo of an eleven year old is something that is likely to be worth pursuing. If your position is that this is the equivalent of SS soldiers breaking down your door and hauling you away to a concentration camp, then I honestly don't know why you aren't in the street rioting right now. We could have a useful discussion about realistic pros and cons of things that are actually happening if people would leave off of the nonsensical hyperbole for like, a fucking second.
      - mixmastamyk 7y ago
        Definitely. Police are doing real harm (and good) every day. And are dying to get their hands on technology to make their jobs easier with no thought to negative consequences to others. The most effective way to fix abuses is to prevent them in the first place. We restrict govts and police by design, a need recognized for centuries. If a capability can be abused, it will be abused. Not if, when. That's the last reply such a shortsighted argument will get. (Also, am not restricted to other's problematic examples upthread.)
      - mixmastamyk 7y ago
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/07/07/fbi-ice-find-state-drivers-license-photos-are-gold-mine-facial-recognition-searches/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/07/07/fbi-ice... No one voted for this or gave their permission. This is what happens when you don't keep law enforcement on a short leash.

jdnenej 7y ago

The next Hitler will be horiffyingly more efficient when they can track everyone by their phone location and know a history of everyone they interacted with as well as facial recognition on every street.