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I see what you mean by trying to improve your own country. But consider this: college education is not for everyone. If someone doesn't decide to go to college

by niij 7y ago

I see what you mean by trying to improve your own country. But consider this: college education is not for everyone. If someone doesn't decide to go to college and still makes a good living as a tradesman or even unskilled worker, why should they be taxed to subsidize someone else's college? Why not just tax less and let people make their own decisions with how the money they've earned is spent. Every time you create a new tax it's one less choice (freedom) someone has in their life.

Accacin 7y ago
Good point. College (university for us!) is not for everyone, and I can't speak for America but I feel that we look down upon trades in the UK a little sometimes. Being a tradesman is a completely valid choice that I believe is equal with a more academic route. That being said, it's hard to blame the individual going to university if there career requires that and it's also a fact that a tradesman is probably going to be earning a lot more than a student for at least the period of time they're studying. I also believe (like I said before) that allowing people financial help to study improves the whole country, especially being that every family can afford to send their children so for myself I can justify this extra tax. Your point hasn't swayed me, but it has made me consider the 'other side' at least so thank you.
- niij 7y ago
  > we look down upon trades in the UK a little sometimes. Being a tradesman is a completely valid choice that I believe is equal with a more academic route. Same here in the US, but you're right, it's an honorable job and nothing wrong with it. > allowing people financial help to study improves the whole country, especially being that every family can afford to send their children In the US we already have that as a system. See: FAFSA/Pell Grants. Those with low incomes already do receive free/subsidized college education. These "new" proposals say that _everyone_ regardless of income can get free money for college. So in that way it's really just a giveaway for the middle/upper class. Considering that, the argument that it will help the poor doesn't hold water for me. > Your point hasn't swayed me, but it has made me consider the 'other side' at least so thank you. Same here, appreciate debating with someone respectfully even if opinions are different.
donaldknuth123 7y ago
>why should they be taxed to subsidize someone else's college? THEY WONT BE. Bernie's plan taxes Wall Street trades to pay for itself. I doubt many tradesman are making huge volumes of derivates trades so they will likely not feel the impact and in return there kids and grandkids will now have the opportunity to go to college for free. Oh the horror.

by niij 7y ago

Accacin 7y ago

Good point. College (university for us!) is not for everyone, and I can't speak for America but I feel that we look down upon trades in the UK a little sometimes. Being a tradesman is a completely valid choice that I believe is equal with a more academic route. That being said, it's hard to blame the individual going to university if there career requires that and it's also a fact that a tradesman is probably going to be earning a lot more than a student for at least the period of time they're studying. I also believe (like I said before) that allowing people financial help to study improves the whole country, especially being that every family can afford to send their children so for myself I can justify this extra tax. Your point hasn't swayed me, but it has made me consider the 'other side' at least so thank you.

niij 7y ago
> we look down upon trades in the UK a little sometimes. Being a tradesman is a completely valid choice that I believe is equal with a more academic route. Same here in the US, but you're right, it's an honorable job and nothing wrong with it. > allowing people financial help to study improves the whole country, especially being that every family can afford to send their children In the US we already have that as a system. See: FAFSA/Pell Grants. Those with low incomes already do receive free/subsidized college education. These "new" proposals say that _everyone_ regardless of income can get free money for college. So in that way it's really just a giveaway for the middle/upper class. Considering that, the argument that it will help the poor doesn't hold water for me. > Your point hasn't swayed me, but it has made me consider the 'other side' at least so thank you. Same here, appreciate debating with someone respectfully even if opinions are different.

donaldknuth123 7y ago

>why should they be taxed to subsidize someone else's college? THEY WONT BE. Bernie's plan taxes Wall Street trades to pay for itself. I doubt many tradesman are making huge volumes of derivates trades so they will likely not feel the impact and in return there kids and grandkids will now have the opportunity to go to college for free. Oh the horror.