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At this point I’m fairly certain a trade deal with china won’t happen and we’re just being weaned off our dependency on their manufacturing.

erentz 7y ago
That actually sounds like a not totally unreasonable thing to do. I’m not so certain that’s actually what going on or that it’s being handled the best. But the US having a large dependency on a totalitarian state that imprisons millions in concentration camps seems like a bad idea. In a way we fed this beast that is modern totalitarian China by opening up trade with it. Expected liberalization that people use to sell trade with such countries (and to admonish sanctions), sadly did not actually follow in this case. The totalitarian state seems as strong as ever and is investing heavily in keeping it that way. I guess a statement like that might draw a lot of what about X or Y. But at least with some of those other totalitarian states we deal with you can say they’re small, easy to handle both economically and militarily.
- o-__-o 7y ago
  How can you say that with the knowledge of our country’s history and continued acceptance of slavery. Hypocritical at best
  - Konnstann 7y ago
    What do you mean by continued acceptance? If I remember correctly the US was one of the first western countries to abolish slavery. Also, history vs present are two very different things. Germany has a history of being a nationalist genocidal state, but you wouldn't criticize Angela Merkel for speaking out against antisemitism or nationalism.
    - o-__-o 7y ago
      Go reread the 13th amendment. Slavery is alive and well. Will make you look at police in a different light
  - dTal 7y ago
    Amazing. Like clockwork.
imagetic 7y ago
I don't think you even realize how much of what we do/consume is manufactured overseas. Even a vast majority of seafood caught in the US is shipped to China for processing because we don't have the facilities or manpower to handle it. If anything, it will just shift manufacturing to other Asian countries. Maybe some small % of it comes back to the US. Most will just move to a tariff loophole.
- smacktoward 7y ago
  > If anything, it will just shift manufacturing to other Asian countries. But from a strategic perspective that’s fine, so long as those Asian countries are aligned with the US’ interests in the region. Taiwan and Vietnam, for instance, both have a strong interest in containing Chinese expansionism, so their interests align with America’s.
- linuxftw 7y ago
  We have the facilities and the manpower. We also have the capital to build new facilities. I'll gladly pay more (and do) for domestically produced and processed seafood.
draw_down 7y ago
Sure, but it's not like that's coming back home, we'll just rely on some other countries.

erentz 7y ago

That actually sounds like a not totally unreasonable thing to do. I’m not so certain that’s actually what going on or that it’s being handled the best. But the US having a large dependency on a totalitarian state that imprisons millions in concentration camps seems like a bad idea. In a way we fed this beast that is modern totalitarian China by opening up trade with it. Expected liberalization that people use to sell trade with such countries (and to admonish sanctions), sadly did not actually follow in this case. The totalitarian state seems as strong as ever and is investing heavily in keeping it that way. I guess a statement like that might draw a lot of what about X or Y. But at least with some of those other totalitarian states we deal with you can say they’re small, easy to handle both economically and militarily.

o-__-o 7y ago
How can you say that with the knowledge of our country’s history and continued acceptance of slavery. Hypocritical at best
- Konnstann 7y ago
  What do you mean by continued acceptance? If I remember correctly the US was one of the first western countries to abolish slavery. Also, history vs present are two very different things. Germany has a history of being a nationalist genocidal state, but you wouldn't criticize Angela Merkel for speaking out against antisemitism or nationalism.
  - o-__-o 7y ago
    Go reread the 13th amendment. Slavery is alive and well. Will make you look at police in a different light
- dTal 7y ago
  Amazing. Like clockwork.

imagetic 7y ago

I don't think you even realize how much of what we do/consume is manufactured overseas. Even a vast majority of seafood caught in the US is shipped to China for processing because we don't have the facilities or manpower to handle it. If anything, it will just shift manufacturing to other Asian countries. Maybe some small % of it comes back to the US. Most will just move to a tariff loophole.

smacktoward 7y ago
> If anything, it will just shift manufacturing to other Asian countries. But from a strategic perspective that’s fine, so long as those Asian countries are aligned with the US’ interests in the region. Taiwan and Vietnam, for instance, both have a strong interest in containing Chinese expansionism, so their interests align with America’s.
linuxftw 7y ago
We have the facilities and the manpower. We also have the capital to build new facilities. I'll gladly pay more (and do) for domestically produced and processed seafood.

draw_down 7y ago

Sure, but it's not like that's coming back home, we'll just rely on some other countries.