I believe you're missing the point. Do I believe processed foods contribute to obesity and health in a negative fashion? Yes. Quick comparison of carb/calori

I believe you're missing the point. Do I believe processed foods contribute to obesity and health in a negative fashion? Yes. Quick comparison of carb/calorie load of processed vs raw shows the story rather plainly. It doesn't take too much insight to gather that if you compare them side by side those processed foods contain a whole lot more of what you don't want per gram. Saturated fat, sugar, cholesterol, sodium, etc. Those things are fine in moderation, but most processed foods are high in one or many of those things. And, no - carbs aren't the devil. Eating too much of anything can make you fat. My point is that people use the strawman of saying that by there are fat vegetarians (there are) because it's not hard to eat a crappy diet and be vegetarian. My guess is that you're on something like a strict "Paleo" diet and have a hard time rationalizing how carbs are part of a healthy diet. But your point is so poorly made I'm not sure what you're arguing. If you're trying to hang me out to dry because I stated fibers are good and didn't qualify that by overeating them they can make you "fat", well then - you got me. I assumed that was implied knowledge and we didn't need to explain simple logic as well.