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Wow. Can you really not remember the infamous Prism PowerPoint slide? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wi

by dTal 7y ago

Wow. Can you really not remember the infamous Prism PowerPoint slide? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg And China/PRC != Hong Kong, whatever Beijing would have you believe. Why are you posting propaganda?

lern_too_spel 7y ago
Yes, I remember how badly Snowden misread it. Prism is a system that ingests data the FBI requested under court ordered wiretaps for specific accounts. The FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit is right there in the slides. https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg This was well-known and commented on at the time Greenwald's articles were being published, with the NYT reporting on the program correctly the very next day by interviewing people actually involved in the program (verifying claims like real journalists — why didn't The Guardian think of that instead of taking the paranoid rants of a barely literate high school dropout at face value?). https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-to-tech-companies/ https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-... https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/how-to-talk-about-prism-and-not-get-entirely-blown-off-if-youre-an-activist-e2a79d2cd2ad https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/how-to-talk-about-prism-and-... https://medium.com/prism-truth/the-prism-details-matter-82a1791c94d3 https://medium.com/prism-truth/the-prism-details-matter-82a1... > And China/PRC != Hong Kong, whatever Beijing would have you believe. Too bad for Snowden. He immediately leaked intelligence valuable to PRC, thinking that they could help him stay in Hong Kong. If only he had known "PRC != Hong Kong." > Why are you posting propaganda Why are you spreading well-known lies, and why are you calling the truth "propaganda?"
- torified 7y ago
  >taking the paranoid rants of a barely literate high school dropout at face value? Have you heard Snowden speak? I've not heard many people in my life who are more educated and eloquent.
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    If he's so educated why couldn't he pass an analyst test and have to work as a SharePoint admin? Why did he think PRISM was some all-consuming surveillance system, when the documents so clearly stated it wasn't? Why did he think Hong Kong would grant him asylum for leaking Chinese targets? Why couldn't he pass high school? Why is he a libertarian? I've known many people like that who can convince laypeople that they're smart, but everybody in the field (software engineers at Internet companies in Snowden's case) immediately sees how stupid they are. Look at flat Earthers and antivaxxers for contemporary examples. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/what-snowden-gets-wrong-about-its-hero.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/what-snowden-get...
    - torified 7y ago
      Even if all that is true, who cares? Also, all libertarians are stupid? He exposed the US government illegally spying on their own citizens (and lying about it), at massive personal risk. He's a hero of true democracy. That's all I need to know. This layperson is also convinced he's smart, BTW.

by dTal 7y ago

lern_too_spel 7y ago

Yes, I remember how badly Snowden misread it. Prism is a system that ingests data the FBI requested under court ordered wiretaps for specific accounts. The FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit is right there in the slides. https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg This was well-known and commented on at the time Greenwald's articles were being published, with the NYT reporting on the program correctly the very next day by interviewing people actually involved in the program (verifying claims like real journalists — why didn't The Guardian think of that instead of taking the paranoid rants of a barely literate high school dropout at face value?). https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-to-tech-companies/ https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-... https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/how-to-talk-about-prism-and-not-get-entirely-blown-off-if-youre-an-activist-e2a79d2cd2ad https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/how-to-talk-about-prism-and-... https://medium.com/prism-truth/the-prism-details-matter-82a1791c94d3 https://medium.com/prism-truth/the-prism-details-matter-82a1... > And China/PRC != Hong Kong, whatever Beijing would have you believe. Too bad for Snowden. He immediately leaked intelligence valuable to PRC, thinking that they could help him stay in Hong Kong. If only he had known "PRC != Hong Kong." > Why are you posting propaganda Why are you spreading well-known lies, and why are you calling the truth "propaganda?"

torified 7y ago
>taking the paranoid rants of a barely literate high school dropout at face value? Have you heard Snowden speak? I've not heard many people in my life who are more educated and eloquent.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  If he's so educated why couldn't he pass an analyst test and have to work as a SharePoint admin? Why did he think PRISM was some all-consuming surveillance system, when the documents so clearly stated it wasn't? Why did he think Hong Kong would grant him asylum for leaking Chinese targets? Why couldn't he pass high school? Why is he a libertarian? I've known many people like that who can convince laypeople that they're smart, but everybody in the field (software engineers at Internet companies in Snowden's case) immediately sees how stupid they are. Look at flat Earthers and antivaxxers for contemporary examples. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/what-snowden-gets-wrong-about-its-hero.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/what-snowden-get...
  - torified 7y ago
    Even if all that is true, who cares? Also, all libertarians are stupid? He exposed the US government illegally spying on their own citizens (and lying about it), at massive personal risk. He's a hero of true democracy. That's all I need to know. This layperson is also convinced he's smart, BTW.