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Does it really matter? We already know that these companies are willing to collaborate with intelligence services. We already know that Facebook is hoovering up
by Skunkleton 7y ago
Does it really matter? We already know that these companies are willing to collaborate with intelligence services. We already know that Facebook is hoovering up your data. We know Jan Koum already left Facebook over privacy issues. Maybe the article is click bait trash, maybe it isn't, but we should assume that whatsapp isn't secure.
- root_axis 7y agoDoes it matter if things are true or made up? Yes.
- gnode 7y agoExcept the landscape here is: it is known to be true, or it is unknown and should be assumed to be true.
- root_axis 7y agoI don't trust Facebook and thus I wouldn't trust WhatsApp. That has nothing to do with whether or not it matters if specific allegations against Facebook are true.
- fragmede 7y agoUnfortunately, it's likely we'll never get a rigorous proof of malfeasance. Thus do you go with WhatsApp as a homosexual in Russia or Iran, or as protestor in Hong Kong against the Chinese government, given that Facebook has given us plenty of reasons to distrust them?
- root_axis 7y agoI'm not saying to trust Facebook. I think it is wise not to trust them. Just because I don't trust Facebook doesn't mean that I should assume by default that every allegation against Facebook is true.
- Skunkleton 7y agoYeah, that is a very good point. As consumers we need to demand more ethical reporting. Further, we should be demanding some mechanism to remove unethical reporting from our social news sites (like HN). This sort sort of moderation is ripe for abuse, but I don't think there is an alternative. Social media has proven that crowd consensus does not select for truthful or in-depth reporting.
- vorticalbox 7y agoYes it matters, these sorts of thing is what sets the standard for all future apps. We are moving ever more towards 1984.
- feanaro 7y agoPerhaps it's time to push back and start using better apps then.
- Skunkleton 7y agoThat is what I was trying to say. The article might be garbage, but WhatsApp is still effectively compromised.
- gnode 7y agoIt doesn't even matter whether they're willing, that they're capable is enough reason for prejudice. Software which people's civil liberties depend upon should be developed in the open, auditable by the public, as a minimum. Even then, developers need to be vigilant about tainting by state actors.
- reeves23423 7y agoBy that argument, w all are going to be dide someday does it matter we nuke the planet. The point is "Resistence is not futile".