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Not sure this throwaway HN account is responsible for your obnoxious un-fan-mail; though I'd be reasonably interested to hear if any of them mentioned links in
by undecisive 7y ago
Not sure this throwaway HN account is responsible for your obnoxious un-fan-mail; though I'd be reasonably interested to hear if any of them mentioned links in HN comments specifically.
Alas, writing a blog post about how nobody will hire you and give interview feedback is a sure-fire way to get an abundance of unwanted interview critique for an interview you never did. If I ever find myself with an over-abundance of faith in humanity, I might just do this with a fake name, email and CV and see what gems of human garbage get thrown at me.
On the upside, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that #3, #4 and #5 are absolutely on the money, and all boil down to ease (or, depending on your bias, laziness). It's not easy telling someone their faults - unless it's in an anonymous email to a random stranger on the internet, clearly - and it's far easier for a recruiter to throw cvs / job opportunities everywhere and see what sticks, than to actually be careful and methodical.
You mentioned it's a lot like dating; essentially, many recruiters are the equivalent of those dating gurus who show you how to become an alpha and promote a mixture of negging and other horrible practices; it works based on percentages, not based on content. If 1% of potential partners have low enough self esteem, and you attack 1000 people, you're almost guaranteed to find someone. Lose your soul, find a bed-buddy. To some people, that seems like a good tradeoff. If you spam enough people about your opportunity - often at no cost to yourself - you're bound to get one hit, often at significant profit.
I'm afraid this is never going to change; hedging a critical message so that it doesn't hurt someone's feelings is hard, especially when there is no incentive; letting someone know your budget for their role and missing out on an unreasonable bargain is hard, especially when there is no incentive; and putting real work into recruitment when email spam is just soooo easy is hard, no incentive.
Our only option is to be the change. I'm lucky that I work for a company that values giving recruitment feedback; when people I know well broadcast job opportunities I encourage them to publish a ballpark salary; and when I find a good recruiter I broadcast them far and wide and review them positively on LinkedIn. It might not change the world, but it might help a few.
- llamataboot 7y agoThanks for the note. I agree that incentives are difficult. However, I believe the incentives are better in this industry than almost any other one. Programmers switch jobs frequently, and the startup world especially is still a small place. Word gets around about your company culture, the way you hire, the way you fire, what you pay, etc. Programmers have hiring power. Especially senior ones with a lot of demonstrated experience. That doesn't mean you deserve to /be hired/, that's not what I was trying to say. It does mean you will /get hired somewhere/, so if you are not under immediate financial pressure you can afford to both be more selective and push back against crappy hiring practices more than other professionals/industries. -- Re: the emails, I can't prove causation, I only know that the moment someone decided to point towards a /person/ that it went from comments /here/, to bizarre anonymous emails attacking me for being an overly-sensitive whiner that probably can't code and that's why I didn't get hired. Which is fine, we all know the internet is a shitty place these days, but it just seems like such a /strange/ reaction to me. Agree or disagree with the idea that employers should offer prospective employees money for take-homes, or more feedback, or even whether you should tell a jerk to go shove it. But what is the emotional urge to somehow align current hiring practices in the tech industry with some kind-of, let's be honest, masculinity and toughness and if someone critiques them, they must be #1) a bad programmer, #2) a wimp, and #3) dumb. I truly don't understand, but honestly, I don't want to put that much effort into it. These days it's easier to block than to empathize, on all sides, and that's a little sad.