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I can take your same argument and claim that iOS is not ready yet for a long time and there are no signs that it will ever be. You focus on the few things that

I can take your same argument and claim that iOS is not ready yet for a long time and there are no signs that it will ever be. You focus on the few things that it doesn't do and claim it's not ready. Let me do the same thing with the disclaimer that it is wrong - The iOS browser doesn't adjust text to the screen like the Android browser does. The notification system is horrid. There are no OTA updates leaving many people who don't use iTunes running old versions of software. The UI is not flexible at all - widgets simplify so many things. Sync is pathetic on iOS - on Android picasa photos, contacts, apps and settings are there in the cloud and all I need to do is sign in to my google account and everything is right there. Has Auto Correct been added to iOS keyboard yet? There is no chance for things such as Swype on iOS. There is no back button. Etc. Thus iOS is not ready yet.

Lewisham 16y ago
Well sure, if you want to take it that way :) I just meant "Does this OS feel like it is fully baked?" and it sort of doesn't, because the jerkiness makes you feel like you're interacting with an OS, not a physical item. You have to sit and think a little bit about how your finger movement is going to translate. Graphical acceleration ala iOS and WP7 means you don't have to do that. Notifications, sync, etc etc are all features built on top of that UX foundation, and that's where I (and I think, consumers in general) feel that is the first hurdle you have to overcome. Everything else is gravy. But I do agree about Swype... that's awesome.
- tensor 16y ago
  This is still a really terrible argument. The Nexus S I have is far, far smoother and responsive than an iphone 3gs and you saw no "half baked" comments about the previous iphones. Not to mention that you don't have to think at all about how your finger will translate: despite a bit of chop occasionally, it still ends up exactly where it should, just like all the previous iphones. As far as I can tell, android is getting a lot of criticism for no reason other than iphones are popular. It's ridiculous, both the nexus s and iphone 4 are extremely advanced, amazing pieces of technology and people argue over some minute perceived jitter or other non-objective observation. From this, they jump to over the top criticism like "half baked," "inferior device," and "second rate." Your Lamborghini sure is half baked compared to my Ferrari. Consumers will never like Lamborghini until they fix the feel of the steering wheel material!
rimantas 16y ago
Oh, how much misinformation in a single piece.
tensor 16y ago
I agree. And while a little jerkiness in scrolling (which is only occasional I would add) is purely cosmetic, the missing features you quoted are anything but cosmetic.
- StavrosK 16y ago
  Not to mention that my Desire HD has no jerkiness in scrolling or anywhere else that I've noticed.
Bud 16y ago
What specifically is "horrid" about the notification system? You don't say. Here's my take on notifications on the iPhone: They work fine. If I get a text message, I get a (configurable) pop-up to tell me, and a (configurable) sound. If I get email, I get a (configurable) sound and a badge on the Mail icon; just right. If I get an IM from any of four different IM systems, I get a (configurable) pop-up and a (configurable) sound. What's broken about this? Moving on, what's "pathetic" about Sync? I can individually configure every possible element of what I sync and don't sync, independently on every device I use, and it works fine. If I want to put them in the cloud, I can do that, too. What's broken about this? Auto correct? Ok, now it's becoming clear. You've never actually used iOS, have you?
- blinkingled 16y ago
  iOS notifications being less than elegant /nearly useless is a well known, well accepted fact. If it works for you that just means you choose to either ignore the issues or have a vastly different usage pattern. Google up to understand what you are missing :) Sync - I can upload my photos to Picasa, install and configure apps, create contacts right on my phone without going anywhere the computer - but that's not the difference. The difference comes when I need to switch phones or restore after an update - piece of cake in case of Android. All of the above is automagically installed after I sign in to the phone - even the apps and their settings. Can you do anything with iOS if there was no computer/iTunes involved? Can you wirelessly sync music/videos/photos - is there AirSync for iOS available? I can look around for iPhone users and find many of them running the same version of the iOS the device was shipped with. Not so with Android's OTA mechanism. Android is light years ahead of iOS when it comes to always connected devices that require least use of the computer. I stopped using iOS devices since I sold my iPod touch which ran iOS 4. I was referring to Autocorrect and predictive text options on the virtual keyboard itself - on Android as I type 'Ha' for example - I get Happy | Hat | Hay as the options to tap on the top to complete the word. If I then misspell it to say 'Haty' I then get autocorrect to 'Bath' in the center. As far as I know the iOS keyboard doesn't work like this and it really felt a backward step when I tried. Plus I got Swype Bud! (pun intended). Ability to Voice Input everywhere is yet another thing I missed on iOS. Also the way back button works on Android. Also the multitasking is real and full-throttle on Android with no silly limitations. iOS really does feel like a step or two backwards to me in most departments.

Lewisham 16y ago

Well sure, if you want to take it that way :) I just meant "Does this OS feel like it is fully baked?" and it sort of doesn't, because the jerkiness makes you feel like you're interacting with an OS, not a physical item. You have to sit and think a little bit about how your finger movement is going to translate. Graphical acceleration ala iOS and WP7 means you don't have to do that. Notifications, sync, etc etc are all features built on top of that UX foundation, and that's where I (and I think, consumers in general) feel that is the first hurdle you have to overcome. Everything else is gravy. But I do agree about Swype... that's awesome.

tensor 16y ago
This is still a really terrible argument. The Nexus S I have is far, far smoother and responsive than an iphone 3gs and you saw no "half baked" comments about the previous iphones. Not to mention that you don't have to think at all about how your finger will translate: despite a bit of chop occasionally, it still ends up exactly where it should, just like all the previous iphones. As far as I can tell, android is getting a lot of criticism for no reason other than iphones are popular. It's ridiculous, both the nexus s and iphone 4 are extremely advanced, amazing pieces of technology and people argue over some minute perceived jitter or other non-objective observation. From this, they jump to over the top criticism like "half baked," "inferior device," and "second rate." Your Lamborghini sure is half baked compared to my Ferrari. Consumers will never like Lamborghini until they fix the feel of the steering wheel material!

rimantas 16y ago

Oh, how much misinformation in a single piece.

tensor 16y ago

I agree. And while a little jerkiness in scrolling (which is only occasional I would add) is purely cosmetic, the missing features you quoted are anything but cosmetic.

StavrosK 16y ago
Not to mention that my Desire HD has no jerkiness in scrolling or anywhere else that I've noticed.

Bud 16y ago

What specifically is "horrid" about the notification system? You don't say. Here's my take on notifications on the iPhone: They work fine. If I get a text message, I get a (configurable) pop-up to tell me, and a (configurable) sound. If I get email, I get a (configurable) sound and a badge on the Mail icon; just right. If I get an IM from any of four different IM systems, I get a (configurable) pop-up and a (configurable) sound. What's broken about this? Moving on, what's "pathetic" about Sync? I can individually configure every possible element of what I sync and don't sync, independently on every device I use, and it works fine. If I want to put them in the cloud, I can do that, too. What's broken about this? Auto correct? Ok, now it's becoming clear. You've never actually used iOS, have you?

blinkingled 16y ago
iOS notifications being less than elegant /nearly useless is a well known, well accepted fact. If it works for you that just means you choose to either ignore the issues or have a vastly different usage pattern. Google up to understand what you are missing :) Sync - I can upload my photos to Picasa, install and configure apps, create contacts right on my phone without going anywhere the computer - but that's not the difference. The difference comes when I need to switch phones or restore after an update - piece of cake in case of Android. All of the above is automagically installed after I sign in to the phone - even the apps and their settings. Can you do anything with iOS if there was no computer/iTunes involved? Can you wirelessly sync music/videos/photos - is there AirSync for iOS available? I can look around for iPhone users and find many of them running the same version of the iOS the device was shipped with. Not so with Android's OTA mechanism. Android is light years ahead of iOS when it comes to always connected devices that require least use of the computer. I stopped using iOS devices since I sold my iPod touch which ran iOS 4. I was referring to Autocorrect and predictive text options on the virtual keyboard itself - on Android as I type 'Ha' for example - I get Happy | Hat | Hay as the options to tap on the top to complete the word. If I then misspell it to say 'Haty' I then get autocorrect to 'Bath' in the center. As far as I know the iOS keyboard doesn't work like this and it really felt a backward step when I tried. Plus I got Swype Bud! (pun intended). Ability to Voice Input everywhere is yet another thing I missed on iOS. Also the way back button works on Android. Also the multitasking is real and full-throttle on Android with no silly limitations. iOS really does feel like a step or two backwards to me in most departments.