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> [citation needed] I can't really give financial, but believe me, after having to spend 30k$ more because of some problems, we only had about 6k$ to pay for 5
by dwild 7y ago
> [citation needed]
I can't really give financial, but believe me, after having to spend 30k$ more because of some problems, we only had about 6k$ to pay for 5k$ a month of expense. After a year, in a location surrounded by restaurants (more than a dozen), with quite a bit of event closeby, with quite a bit of people going around, the amount of people that found out about us outside of ads, is barely a handful.
After a full year, even while spending for ads, even if we can count on 1 hand the number of people that had a bad experience, we are still barely profitable and still, almost everyone only finds us with ads and not word of mouth. We still have a pretty big list of people that wait after our third room impatiently, I think there's not a day where there's not someone that mentions it.
The thing is, even if an escape room is fun, even if I think that anyone can enjoy them, sadly our public is a tiny fraction of the population and even if theses enthusiast talks about it to others, it just doesn't reach enough other enthusiast people.
> One is imagining that in a world without ads, her experience would be the same as her not advertising.
Then you would have to explain to me how she could reach people between 10 km to 300 km aways without ads in the first 6 months of existence.
> The other is that something that is bad for a given business is something that's bad for society.
Her business is great, people are all crazy about the experience, that's a few thousands of peoples that wouldn't have that experience that they enjoyed quite a bit, simply because they are too few in a huge market.
> For every ad you see today, ask yourself how much useful new information you have gained from it.
From the ads itself? More than 0. From the content that has been paid from it? More than thousands actually. I wouldn't have read your comment, simply because Hacker News is a place that advertize ycombinator startup.
> Note that the biggest spenders on ads are brands you've already heard of, suggesting that your theory needs some revision.
It's actually exactly what I'm talking about. You think about Coke regularly? I'm pretty sure you don't.
It's sad but in this world of so many choice, you need to keep reminding people you exist or else they may switch to another choice they may see more (doesn't even have to be ads related, could be just more people that consume it at that moment, could be a location that have a contract with that brand, etc..).
So both in a world where you are known or not, you need to remind people that you are a possibility to even be considered.
Even in the amazing marketing space that is a supermarket where you can extremly easily browse a good amount of choice, brands pay for the right of a specific shelf because that will sell more.
Imagine how much worse it is when you don't even have all the choices in front of you.
- wpietri 7y agoAgain, you are extremely fixated on her specific case in the current environment. I get it, it's your girlfriend, you're protective and defensive. You seem entirely unable/unwilling to see beyond that situation, which I get, but that means I don't see further explanations as likely to change anything.
- ci5er 7y agoI don't have a dog in this hunt, but perhaps one problem is assuming that people know what an escape room is? I certainly don't, and if that's all it said on the door as I was walking to a restaurant, I certainly would not stop in. Maybe the benefit of online advertising is simply making people who know what it is aware that there is one in their zip code. (Option awareness for the primed is a thing.)
- dwild 7y ago> I don't have a dog in this hunt, but perhaps one problem is assuming that people know what an escape room is? Oh yeah definitely, that's something that we will need to do in our city because the concept is too new. We just don't have too much time and money to invest in that. We were going to do that recently in a festival, but we learned too late that it wasn't going to happen in an adjacent park ^^' like it always did in the past. > Maybe the benefit of online advertising is simply making people who know what it is aware that there is one in their zip code. Yeah that what ads does in our case. We hope that word of mouth will help show more people it's fun.
- ci5er 7y agoThanks. I guess also embedded in my comment was a question: what is an escape room business? It appears to be a game? How long does it take? How much does it cost per encounter? Can one do it with friends (like lazer-tag) or is it a single-person encounter? How much space does the facility require to process how many customers per hour?
- ShorsHammer 7y agoThe world would certainly be a worse place without escape rooms existing too :| Many people seem unwilling to admit what they do is bullshit. Not judging that at all, virtually most jobs are bullshit, I've done far more useless things for big companies earning good money too. Yeah it offers entertainment value but were it to disappear humanity would not suffer for it. I'm honestly amazed at the number of people who truly believe what they do offers value, long lasting, real value to society. Have quite a few friends in advertising/marketing and they've drunk the kool-aid thinking that because they bring in X amount for bigcorp their existence is justified and if they didn't someone else would. Without this delusion it's likely not an easy thing to live with.