I'm speaking specifically about the Mac Pro, which Apple doesn't really care about. I get the sense you think I'm talking about using Zen in their laptops etc.

I'm speaking specifically about the Mac Pro, which Apple doesn't really care about. I get the sense you think I'm talking about using Zen in their laptops etc. They're not going to build a chip that competes with high end Xeons just to field the new Mac Pro. Given that, in a world where MacBook Pros are powered by A15s, Apple can either cut the Mac Pro, keep it as their only x86 product or put an ARM Zen in it. I'm saying keeping it as x86 will straight up never happen. ARM Zen or cancellation are the plausible options.