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I actually like that Apple moves at its own pace and doesn’t wait for standards to evolve. If you are willing to adopt the Apple ecosystem, it’s a bliss. If you

I actually like that Apple moves at its own pace and doesn’t wait for standards to evolve. If you are willing to adopt the Apple ecosystem, it’s a bliss. If you can’t then just ignore them. I’ve been on both sides of the fence during the last decade.

dman 7y ago
Could you elaborate the two different phases where you were on two different sides? What made you change?
jay_kyburz 7y ago
You don't have to wait for "standards to evolve" to be and open system. You can open your API and see if community wants to adopt it as a standard.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Doing this too much is the second “E” of embrace, extend, extinguish…
  - headsoup 7y ago
    Except in this case there is no first E for Embrace, so that doesn't work...
- jonny_eh 7y ago
  Just like Apple promised to do with Facetime. https://www.cnet.com/news/steve-jobs-promised-to-make-facetime-open-source-its-time/ https://www.cnet.com/news/steve-jobs-promised-to-make-faceti...
  - chadcmulligan 7y ago
    That was stopped by the patent troll I believe https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/29/apple_fifth_facetime_appeal/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/29/apple_fifth_facetim...
    - zapeachy 7y ago
      The latest in that saga: https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/09/virnetx-reverses-ruling-invalidating-patents-used-against-apple https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/09/virnetx-reverses-...
      - lallysingh 7y ago
        What is FaceTime doing that you can't do with WebRTC? And that's already open.
        danaris 7y ago
        Whether FaceTime is doing things that can't easily be done with WebRTC, I don't know, but when FaceTime came out, WebRTC didn't even exist. Hell, it wasn't stable until just a year ago.
techntoke 7y ago
Apple waits till a company does something then copies it. Even their Window system features have been copied from Linux. Their hardware is overpriced and you are essentially just paying for an Apple logo and aesthetic pushed by a marketing company. It is like the Nike of computers.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Crucially, Apple usually copies it better. They drive niche or poorly implemented technologies and make them mainstream.
- lupinglade 7y ago
  From Linux? Are you sure about that?
  - techntoke 7y ago
    Yes, there are several window managers that they copy from.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      Such as? What about all those Window managers that copied from NeXTSTEP?
- pjmlp 7y ago
  What?!? Modern Apple platforms are an evolution from NeXTSTEP.
- IOT_Apprentice 7y ago
  NeXTStep (September 18, 1989) predates Linux (September 17, 1991)and it's window managers. I'd suggest you also look at Apple's work on ARM processors. They were first to 64 bit in that space.
  - Polyisoprene 7y ago
    Apple was one the companies that created ARM as well. ”The company was founded in November 1990 as Advanced RISC Machines Ltd and structured as a joint venture between Acorn Computers, Apple Computer (now Apple Inc.) and VLSI Technology.”

dman 7y ago

Could you elaborate the two different phases where you were on two different sides? What made you change?

jay_kyburz 7y ago

You don't have to wait for "standards to evolve" to be and open system. You can open your API and see if community wants to adopt it as a standard.

saagarjha 7y ago
Doing this too much is the second “E” of embrace, extend, extinguish…
- headsoup 7y ago
  Except in this case there is no first E for Embrace, so that doesn't work...
jonny_eh 7y ago
Just like Apple promised to do with Facetime. https://www.cnet.com/news/steve-jobs-promised-to-make-facetime-open-source-its-time/ https://www.cnet.com/news/steve-jobs-promised-to-make-faceti...
- chadcmulligan 7y ago
  That was stopped by the patent troll I believe https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/29/apple_fifth_facetime_appeal/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/29/apple_fifth_facetim...
  - zapeachy 7y ago
    The latest in that saga: https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/09/virnetx-reverses-ruling-invalidating-patents-used-against-apple https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/07/09/virnetx-reverses-...
    - lallysingh 7y ago
      What is FaceTime doing that you can't do with WebRTC? And that's already open.
      - danaris 7y ago
        Whether FaceTime is doing things that can't easily be done with WebRTC, I don't know, but when FaceTime came out, WebRTC didn't even exist. Hell, it wasn't stable until just a year ago.

techntoke 7y ago

Apple waits till a company does something then copies it. Even their Window system features have been copied from Linux. Their hardware is overpriced and you are essentially just paying for an Apple logo and aesthetic pushed by a marketing company. It is like the Nike of computers.

saagarjha 7y ago
Crucially, Apple usually copies it better. They drive niche or poorly implemented technologies and make them mainstream.
lupinglade 7y ago
From Linux? Are you sure about that?
- techntoke 7y ago
  Yes, there are several window managers that they copy from.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Such as? What about all those Window managers that copied from NeXTSTEP?
pjmlp 7y ago
What?!? Modern Apple platforms are an evolution from NeXTSTEP.
IOT_Apprentice 7y ago
NeXTStep (September 18, 1989) predates Linux (September 17, 1991)and it's window managers. I'd suggest you also look at Apple's work on ARM processors. They were first to 64 bit in that space.
- Polyisoprene 7y ago
  Apple was one the companies that created ARM as well. ”The company was founded in November 1990 as Advanced RISC Machines Ltd and structured as a joint venture between Acorn Computers, Apple Computer (now Apple Inc.) and VLSI Technology.”