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I don't understand why this is cool or what it would protect you from? A dress shirt maybe but who's stabbing or shooting legs?

cwkoss 7y ago
My threat model is less concerned about intentional violence, and more about accidental injury. If I can reduce my chance of accidental death by 1% for a few hundred bucks, that would be cool, if not necessarily economically rational. Oh, I want the dress shirt too! Heck, I'd wear a helmet with a HUD if it was comfortable and socially acceptable.
- A2017U1 7y ago
  At that price point it's entirely rational. > wear a helmet with a HUD if it was comfortable and socially acceptable Google glass suggests you'll be waiting a while, I'll be right there with you though. Maybe in Japan one day?
- stickfigure 7y ago
  Do you require vision correction, and if not, do you wear glasses anyway?
- LeifCarrotson 7y ago
  > My threat model is less concerned about intentional violence, and more about accidental injury. If I can reduce my chance of accidental death by 1%... We don't live in a world where loaded small arms are distributed about your everyday environment as in video games where they're just laying about on crates which mysteriously clutter offices, and also spontaneously discharge frequently [1]. Under that hypothetical threat model, I will grant that jeans and dress shirts which are casually bullet resistant would be a reasonable response. Instead, a realistic threat model has a huge number of things you could spend your time and money on which would be more effective at keeping you safe. For example, upgrading to a newer car with better safety ratings, and taking extra time to drive slower and more carefully, could be effective in reducing the 0.012% chance you have each year of dying in a motor vehicle accident. That baseline is almost 100 times larger than your (in the US) 0.00015% chance of dying due to a firearm accident. To reduce that already miniscule chance, not keeping a gun in your house, avoiding firing ranges, and avoiding hunting areas would be more effective than everyday Kevlar. [1] Relatively frequent accidental discharge would be an interesting mod for a first-person shooter. It could help teach good muzzle control if you handicap yourself or your teammate before the match even starts.
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    Not accidental bullets, but bits of construction shrapnel, knife or yard tool accidents, etc. Your footnote game mode sounds cool. Could have a 'finger on trigger' toggle and autofire if your reticle at a friendly target with finger on trigger. Make maps that force friendlies to walk infront of each other freqently (halls, etc).
- dublinben 7y ago
  You're much more likely to be injured by an automobile than a weapon like a knife or gun.
  - tomatotomato37 7y ago
    Isn't that why motorcyclist also wear clothes embedded with kevlar?
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    I'd also be interested in clothing that could reduce injury in the event of an automobile attack, but I suspect many of the solutions would be excessively bulky and thus uncomfortable. Anticipatory airbags would be really cool if you could get the false positive rate acceptably low.
scottlegrand2 7y ago
It's mostly magical thinking because it's so very unlikely, but in the odd event of a mass shooter this would come in handy.
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kbenson 7y ago
And I'm kind of at a loss as to why someone would question the desire for this. The statement is that it's literally as comfortable as a regular piece of the clothing, so the only downside here I see is an increased cost. Given that I'm sure some people pay close to or more than $400 for designer versions of jeans, it seems to me to be at least as good an investment of the money as that choice. Put another way, would you pay $1500 for a car that had a bulletproof exterior if it didn't affect the look, feel or handling/visibility? I think a lot more people would opt for that, and for similar reasons. People routinely spend much more money on things with much less utility, so I'm all for it.
- jancsika 7y ago
  What is the tear resistance of the jeans of your fantasy? If they are so resistant that medical grade shears cannot cut through them then the practical utility may drop below zero.
  - noodlesUK 7y ago
    I’ve personally experienced medics trying and failing to cut through fencing kit that’s designed to be stab resistant (ish). It’s not fun at all when you have an injury and they can’t treat it cause of your protective gear.
PaulHoule 7y ago
I met a kendo instructor who told me that swordsmen can get a very quick kill by aiming for the inside of the leg. There are some blood vessels there which will drain out very quickly causing unconsciousness and death.
- nickpsecurity 7y ago
  This one has been making rounds in movies and TV shows like Dexter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femoral_artery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femoral_artery More potential attackers are aware of it now. Whether that's a risk that's going to play out for real is anyone's guess.
corodra 7y ago
Baggins-sis that stole the precious.

cwkoss 7y ago

My threat model is less concerned about intentional violence, and more about accidental injury. If I can reduce my chance of accidental death by 1% for a few hundred bucks, that would be cool, if not necessarily economically rational. Oh, I want the dress shirt too! Heck, I'd wear a helmet with a HUD if it was comfortable and socially acceptable.

A2017U1 7y ago
At that price point it's entirely rational. > wear a helmet with a HUD if it was comfortable and socially acceptable Google glass suggests you'll be waiting a while, I'll be right there with you though. Maybe in Japan one day?
stickfigure 7y ago
Do you require vision correction, and if not, do you wear glasses anyway?
LeifCarrotson 7y ago
> My threat model is less concerned about intentional violence, and more about accidental injury. If I can reduce my chance of accidental death by 1%... We don't live in a world where loaded small arms are distributed about your everyday environment as in video games where they're just laying about on crates which mysteriously clutter offices, and also spontaneously discharge frequently [1]. Under that hypothetical threat model, I will grant that jeans and dress shirts which are casually bullet resistant would be a reasonable response. Instead, a realistic threat model has a huge number of things you could spend your time and money on which would be more effective at keeping you safe. For example, upgrading to a newer car with better safety ratings, and taking extra time to drive slower and more carefully, could be effective in reducing the 0.012% chance you have each year of dying in a motor vehicle accident. That baseline is almost 100 times larger than your (in the US) 0.00015% chance of dying due to a firearm accident. To reduce that already miniscule chance, not keeping a gun in your house, avoiding firing ranges, and avoiding hunting areas would be more effective than everyday Kevlar. [1] Relatively frequent accidental discharge would be an interesting mod for a first-person shooter. It could help teach good muzzle control if you handicap yourself or your teammate before the match even starts.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  Not accidental bullets, but bits of construction shrapnel, knife or yard tool accidents, etc. Your footnote game mode sounds cool. Could have a 'finger on trigger' toggle and autofire if your reticle at a friendly target with finger on trigger. Make maps that force friendlies to walk infront of each other freqently (halls, etc).
dublinben 7y ago
You're much more likely to be injured by an automobile than a weapon like a knife or gun.
- tomatotomato37 7y ago
  Isn't that why motorcyclist also wear clothes embedded with kevlar?
- cwkoss 7y ago
  I'd also be interested in clothing that could reduce injury in the event of an automobile attack, but I suspect many of the solutions would be excessively bulky and thus uncomfortable. Anticipatory airbags would be really cool if you could get the false positive rate acceptably low.

scottlegrand2 7y ago

It's mostly magical thinking because it's so very unlikely, but in the odd event of a mass shooter this would come in handy.

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kbenson 7y ago

And I'm kind of at a loss as to why someone would question the desire for this. The statement is that it's literally as comfortable as a regular piece of the clothing, so the only downside here I see is an increased cost. Given that I'm sure some people pay close to or more than $400 for designer versions of jeans, it seems to me to be at least as good an investment of the money as that choice. Put another way, would you pay $1500 for a car that had a bulletproof exterior if it didn't affect the look, feel or handling/visibility? I think a lot more people would opt for that, and for similar reasons. People routinely spend much more money on things with much less utility, so I'm all for it.

jancsika 7y ago
What is the tear resistance of the jeans of your fantasy? If they are so resistant that medical grade shears cannot cut through them then the practical utility may drop below zero.
- noodlesUK 7y ago
  I’ve personally experienced medics trying and failing to cut through fencing kit that’s designed to be stab resistant (ish). It’s not fun at all when you have an injury and they can’t treat it cause of your protective gear.

PaulHoule 7y ago

I met a kendo instructor who told me that swordsmen can get a very quick kill by aiming for the inside of the leg. There are some blood vessels there which will drain out very quickly causing unconsciousness and death.

nickpsecurity 7y ago
This one has been making rounds in movies and TV shows like Dexter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femoral_artery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femoral_artery More potential attackers are aware of it now. Whether that's a risk that's going to play out for real is anyone's guess.

corodra 7y ago

Baggins-sis that stole the precious.