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I am with computerex. Your explanations are extremely simplistic and biased. S400s can toggle on and off, share data, have Pantsir systems around them, etc. Yo

I am with computerex. Your explanations are extremely simplistic and biased. S400s can toggle on and off, share data, have Pantsir systems around them, etc. You ignore the same problems with air platforms emitting. Your claim about detecting the data link is absurd.

kilo_bravo_3 7y ago
RF is RF. If it is emitted it can be detected. Even point to point microwave links can be detected off-axis. Hundreds of watts of point-to-point means dozens of watts of sidelobes. Dozens of watts in the middle of the desert is easy to detect. If the AN/MLQ-40 could do it at tens of kilometers 20 years ago I bet datalinks could be detected from space today.
- computerex 7y ago
  You are literally making statements that don't make any sense and I'd bet you can't back up anything with a primary source.
  - kuzehanka 7y ago
    Everything he said makes sense to me, and I'm just a lowly software engineer with a single unit of RF background back at uni. What part are you confused about? There is no such thing as a perfectly directional antenna. Radiation profiles consist of multiple lobes which generally point towards a single direction on 3 axes, but there are always side lobes, like so: [1]. You can't hide these, therefore they can be detected and targeted. There's a whole class of missiles that simply look for RF sources and head that way. The only way to avoid such missiles is to stop being an RF source. But if you do that, you're also unable to target the attackers or defend against those missiles. You also have to turn off your data link and lose situational awareness. The S-400 is the best air defence currently fielded, but it is by no means magical or invulnerable. https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/aironet-antennas-accessories/prod_white_paper0900aecd806a1a3e.doc/_jcr_content/renditions/0900aecd806a1a3e_null_null_null_08_07_07-12.jpg https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/products/collateral/wirele...
    - computerex 7y ago
      All this makes the assumption that S400 is a sitting duck with no countermeasures. Which is far from reality. The entire point of a decentralized and mobile/distributed system like s400 is to make it difficult to target. It is ground based, therefore has much better detection capability than anything in the air. Its long range missiles have a greater flight envelope than any surface to air missile. You don't think the s400 has any jamming capability and protection of its own? You don't think the system can detect when it's being targeted and locked on? It can definitely be defeated but not without suffering heavy casualties. That's _why_ it's called anti-access/area denial technology.
LegitShady 7y ago
Israel has already destroyed pantsirs with standoff missiles in syria.
- joyjoyjoy 7y ago
  Yes, but one that was not active.

kilo_bravo_3 7y ago

RF is RF. If it is emitted it can be detected. Even point to point microwave links can be detected off-axis. Hundreds of watts of point-to-point means dozens of watts of sidelobes. Dozens of watts in the middle of the desert is easy to detect. If the AN/MLQ-40 could do it at tens of kilometers 20 years ago I bet datalinks could be detected from space today.

computerex 7y ago
You are literally making statements that don't make any sense and I'd bet you can't back up anything with a primary source.
- kuzehanka 7y ago
  Everything he said makes sense to me, and I'm just a lowly software engineer with a single unit of RF background back at uni. What part are you confused about? There is no such thing as a perfectly directional antenna. Radiation profiles consist of multiple lobes which generally point towards a single direction on 3 axes, but there are always side lobes, like so: [1]. You can't hide these, therefore they can be detected and targeted. There's a whole class of missiles that simply look for RF sources and head that way. The only way to avoid such missiles is to stop being an RF source. But if you do that, you're also unable to target the attackers or defend against those missiles. You also have to turn off your data link and lose situational awareness. The S-400 is the best air defence currently fielded, but it is by no means magical or invulnerable. https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/aironet-antennas-accessories/prod_white_paper0900aecd806a1a3e.doc/_jcr_content/renditions/0900aecd806a1a3e_null_null_null_08_07_07-12.jpg https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/products/collateral/wirele...
  - computerex 7y ago
    All this makes the assumption that S400 is a sitting duck with no countermeasures. Which is far from reality. The entire point of a decentralized and mobile/distributed system like s400 is to make it difficult to target. It is ground based, therefore has much better detection capability than anything in the air. Its long range missiles have a greater flight envelope than any surface to air missile. You don't think the s400 has any jamming capability and protection of its own? You don't think the system can detect when it's being targeted and locked on? It can definitely be defeated but not without suffering heavy casualties. That's _why_ it's called anti-access/area denial technology.

LegitShady 7y ago

Israel has already destroyed pantsirs with standoff missiles in syria.

joyjoyjoy 7y ago
Yes, but one that was not active.