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Shall we apply that same principle to, for instance, religion? Would you defend a professor berating in front of the class someone exposing the views of their

by wtdata 7y ago

Shall we apply that same principle to, for instance, religion? Would you defend a professor berating in front of the class someone exposing the views of their minoritary religion?

throwawaycert 7y ago
Yes. Why? Universities are not job training and professors are not your primary school teacher. They are serious academics whose writings and work can have global, multi-generational impacts. If you can’t go toe to toe with them and tell them why they might be full of shit, you’re just taking up valuable space and should go find an appropriate trade school for the low-responsibility lifestyle you actually want to lead.
gamblor956 7y ago
Should we compare one thing to some completely different thing and pretend they're even remotely similar? Probably not.
- belorn 7y ago
  When the European Union wrote the human rights with Freedom of religion in mind, it extended the same protection under the same section to political views, philosophical views, ideology, live experience and world view. The European court clairfied that it covered "views that attain a certain level of cogency, seriousness, cohesion and importance” or ”a coherent view on fundamental problems”." Article 9 is titled: Freedom of thought, belief and religion. They very much view political and religions belief to be completely similar in the eyes of the law. An Atheism has just as much protection to believe and practice their belief as an Christan. The law does not distinguish between a person speaking politics in the town center and a religious leader speaking religion. The same rights and restrictions apply, which is why for example a religious leader can get thrown in jail if they encourage violence against non-belives, just like how someone that encourage violence against people with dark skin will also be charged and thrown in jail.
- wtdata 7y ago
  Why not? The OP was defending that berating someone for their political beliefs was just fine. Why are we expected to put the line at religion when "berating" someone's beliefs? The article in the human rights declaration defending the individual freedom to a particular religion and a political view is exactly the same. Therefore I expect the exact same treatment to be applied in both cases. It's you that should explain how do you see one having special status over the other.

by wtdata 7y ago

Shall we apply that same principle to, for instance, religion? Would you defend a professor berating in front of the class someone exposing the views of their minoritary religion?

throwawaycert 7y ago

Yes. Why? Universities are not job training and professors are not your primary school teacher. They are serious academics whose writings and work can have global, multi-generational impacts. If you can’t go toe to toe with them and tell them why they might be full of shit, you’re just taking up valuable space and should go find an appropriate trade school for the low-responsibility lifestyle you actually want to lead.

gamblor956 7y ago

Should we compare one thing to some completely different thing and pretend they're even remotely similar? Probably not.

belorn 7y ago
When the European Union wrote the human rights with Freedom of religion in mind, it extended the same protection under the same section to political views, philosophical views, ideology, live experience and world view. The European court clairfied that it covered "views that attain a certain level of cogency, seriousness, cohesion and importance” or ”a coherent view on fundamental problems”." Article 9 is titled: Freedom of thought, belief and religion. They very much view political and religions belief to be completely similar in the eyes of the law. An Atheism has just as much protection to believe and practice their belief as an Christan. The law does not distinguish between a person speaking politics in the town center and a religious leader speaking religion. The same rights and restrictions apply, which is why for example a religious leader can get thrown in jail if they encourage violence against non-belives, just like how someone that encourage violence against people with dark skin will also be charged and thrown in jail.
wtdata 7y ago
Why not? The OP was defending that berating someone for their political beliefs was just fine. Why are we expected to put the line at religion when "berating" someone's beliefs? The article in the human rights declaration defending the individual freedom to a particular religion and a political view is exactly the same. Therefore I expect the exact same treatment to be applied in both cases. It's you that should explain how do you see one having special status over the other.