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> Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just inject cholesterol and fast forward a heart attack

> Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just inject cholesterol and fast forward a heart attack. Yes, the Beyond Meat burger does have a substantial amount of canola oil. But what's this about cholesterol and heart attack risk? Canola oil is one of the healthier oils - it's low in saturated fats and high in monounsaturated fats which are shown to actually help fight heart disease. The amount of cholesterol in a Beyond Meat or Impossible Burger is 0. Let's compare that to even a lean burger (85/15): whose 4oz patty contains 102mg of cholesterol and a blend of saturated fats, trans fats, monounsaturated fats, and polyunsaturated fats. It's terribly unhealthy, and the risks associated with the consumption of red meat are well known. The Mediterranean diet you promote also includes high amounts of monounsaturated fats (Olive oil). If I've overlooked some other deep seated risk associated to canola oil, let me know.

8456523 7y ago
Canola oil looks good on paper, but there is something very unhealthful about it if my experience is any indication. (I have to eat well or my chronic illness gets worse almost right away.) I avoid most seed oils, e.g., safflower, sunflower (regardless of how the seed oil is grown or refined) but canola is the single oil I take the most care to avoid. I use olive oil almost exclusively. I don't have a decent theory about why it is particularly bad for me. Sorry I can't be more informative.
chrisco255 7y ago
You made a couple of invalid claims here: 1) Canola oil is one of the healthier oils. 2) Monounsaturated fats help fight heart disease. 3) Naturally occurring trans fat is the same as industrial trans fat 4) Red meat has health risks EDIT, included sources, with comments: [1] Canola oil may have dramatic negative effect on weight gain and brain health: "Effect of canola oil consumption on memory, synapse and neuropathology in the triple transgenic mouse model of Alzheimer’s disease" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17373-3?error=database_circuit_open&error_description=Database%20is%20temporarily%20unavailable https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17373-3?error=dat... [2] No clear benefits of MUFA-rich diets: "Monounsaturated Fatty Acids and Risk of Cardiovascular Disease: Synopsis of the Evidence Available from Systematic Reviews and Meta-Analyses" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546618/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546618/ [3] High trans fat intake associated with lower sudden cardiac death: "Natural trans fat, dairy fat, partially hydrogenated oils, and cardiometabolic health: the Ludwigshafen Risk and Cardiovascular Health Study" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4816962/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4816962/ [4] Claims on red meat risks that are limited to epidemiological studies (surveys) that are unreliable, do not factor for confounding variables, and do not conclusively prove anything. Keto diet, for example, has shown to lower cardiovascular risk factors: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/
- lxmcneill 7y ago
  Would either of you please be so kind as to cite your sources?
  - artimaeis 7y ago
    So I can't claim to be an expert in this subject -- I've got an acute interest in it but am no professional. Regarding monounsaturated fats I was going off of some offhand knowledge -- while the AHA agrees with the claim generally[1], it looks like the truth may be more complicated[2]. Regarding the general un-healthiness of red meats: * There are [3] numerous [4] studies [5] showing a link to an increased mortality rate. * Red meat was categorized as Group 2A (probably carcinogenic to humans) by the WHO[6] If there's more claims I made here that I can help to cite I'd be happy to. [1] - https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/fats/monounsaturated-fats https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-s... [2] - https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/monosaturated-fat-heart-disease-risk/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/monosaturated-fat... [3] - https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1957 https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1957 [4] - https://jaoa.org/article.aspx?articleid=2517494 https://jaoa.org/article.aspx?articleid=2517494 [5] - https://web.archive.org/web/20120313084043/http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archinternmed.2011.2287 https://web.archive.org/web/20120313084043/http://archinte.a... [6] - https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
    - gdyefd0897 7y ago
      Claims, based on rat/epidemiological studies. [1] - WHO Says Meat Causes Cancer?: https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/ https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
- drdrey 7y ago
  Red meat is classified as probably carcinogenic to humans by the WHO. https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
eMSF 7y ago
>It's terribly unhealthy, and the risks associated with the consumption of red meat are well known. They aren't, really. Of course, in the circle, none of this matters.

8456523 7y ago

Canola oil looks good on paper, but there is something very unhealthful about it if my experience is any indication. (I have to eat well or my chronic illness gets worse almost right away.) I avoid most seed oils, e.g., safflower, sunflower (regardless of how the seed oil is grown or refined) but canola is the single oil I take the most care to avoid. I use olive oil almost exclusively. I don't have a decent theory about why it is particularly bad for me. Sorry I can't be more informative.

chrisco255 7y ago

You made a couple of invalid claims here: 1) Canola oil is one of the healthier oils. 2) Monounsaturated fats help fight heart disease. 3) Naturally occurring trans fat is the same as industrial trans fat 4) Red meat has health risks EDIT, included sources, with comments: [1] Canola oil may have dramatic negative effect on weight gain and brain health: "Effect of canola oil consumption on memory, synapse and neuropathology in the triple transgenic mouse model of Alzheimer’s disease" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17373-3?error=database_circuit_open&error_description=Database%20is%20temporarily%20unavailable https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17373-3?error=dat... [2] No clear benefits of MUFA-rich diets: "Monounsaturated Fatty Acids and Risk of Cardiovascular Disease: Synopsis of the Evidence Available from Systematic Reviews and Meta-Analyses" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546618/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546618/ [3] High trans fat intake associated with lower sudden cardiac death: "Natural trans fat, dairy fat, partially hydrogenated oils, and cardiometabolic health: the Ludwigshafen Risk and Cardiovascular Health Study" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4816962/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4816962/ [4] Claims on red meat risks that are limited to epidemiological studies (surveys) that are unreliable, do not factor for confounding variables, and do not conclusively prove anything. Keto diet, for example, has shown to lower cardiovascular risk factors: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/

lxmcneill 7y ago
Would either of you please be so kind as to cite your sources?
- artimaeis 7y ago
  So I can't claim to be an expert in this subject -- I've got an acute interest in it but am no professional. Regarding monounsaturated fats I was going off of some offhand knowledge -- while the AHA agrees with the claim generally[1], it looks like the truth may be more complicated[2]. Regarding the general un-healthiness of red meats: * There are [3] numerous [4] studies [5] showing a link to an increased mortality rate. * Red meat was categorized as Group 2A (probably carcinogenic to humans) by the WHO[6] If there's more claims I made here that I can help to cite I'd be happy to. [1] - https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/fats/monounsaturated-fats https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-s... [2] - https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/monosaturated-fat-heart-disease-risk/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/monosaturated-fat... [3] - https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1957 https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1957 [4] - https://jaoa.org/article.aspx?articleid=2517494 https://jaoa.org/article.aspx?articleid=2517494 [5] - https://web.archive.org/web/20120313084043/http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archinternmed.2011.2287 https://web.archive.org/web/20120313084043/http://archinte.a... [6] - https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
  - gdyefd0897 7y ago
    Claims, based on rat/epidemiological studies. [1] - WHO Says Meat Causes Cancer?: https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/ https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
drdrey 7y ago
Red meat is classified as probably carcinogenic to humans by the WHO. https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

eMSF 7y ago

>It's terribly unhealthy, and the risks associated with the consumption of red meat are well known. They aren't, really. Of course, in the circle, none of this matters.