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I think they should make traffic worse. Make it so bad that people stop driving. Hell, make it so bad that people move closer to work.

epicureanideal 7y ago
What about two income families where each person works at a different employer?
- mav3rick 7y ago
  That would not be the op's problem, so is probably fine for them.
- TACIXAT 7y ago
  One of them can buy a motorcycle and lane split.
Bombthecat 7y ago
Just take a look at Lagos. People don't care..
robohoe 7y ago
Until housing prices near the city centers come down I don't see that happening. Plus people want peace and quiet which city centers don't offer (at least in the United States).
ergothus 7y ago
> Make it so bad that people stop driving. ...that only works if there are viable alternatives (see "public transit" portion of proposal" > make it so bad that people move closer to work. Do you really believe it's that easy to move? and then never switch your job? The proposal is trying to fix the problems you are complaining about, I'm not sure what value your alternatives would bring.
isostatic 7y ago
40 years ago a typical family was 1 main wage earner and a stay at home mum, or at least a mum with a flexible employment Now you have two people (a+b) in a career. They start off living 10 miles from their office (A + B), and meet each other at a mutual friend (f) that's 10 miles in the opposite direction A -- a -- f -- b -- B They then move in equidistant, 20 miles A -- -- afb -- -- B Then office A moves 10 miles the wrong way A -- -- -- afb -- -- B How do ab move closer to work?
- lostdog 7y ago
  You encourage businesses to put their offices in a similar location, and on major transit routes. Then, even if A or B switch jobs their commute is still easy.
  - bobthepanda 7y ago
    There are lots of employers that can't be centralized in downtown areas, like - schools - hospitals - malls/retail All of those things need to be close to residents who don't necessarily live downtown or on major transit lines. And they're also all expensive to move. How many of them are well connected to transit today?
- epistasis 7y ago
  Both linear options you show with afb between the workplaces is a significant improvement over current options, as current zoning makes even choosing an in between location impossible for nearly everyone. Typically both workers are required to commute in quite similar directions because development has only been allowed further and further out from existing development. Also, Moving such that one person can take transit or walk would also be a huge huge improvement in traffic.
damnyou 7y ago
Work-life balance? People should not be slaves to their work. One advantage of both cars and proper mass transit systems is that you don't have to move if your work does, or if you switch jobs, or if a partner moves in...

epicureanideal 7y ago

What about two income families where each person works at a different employer?

mav3rick 7y ago
That would not be the op's problem, so is probably fine for them.
TACIXAT 7y ago
One of them can buy a motorcycle and lane split.

Bombthecat 7y ago

Just take a look at Lagos. People don't care..

robohoe 7y ago

Until housing prices near the city centers come down I don't see that happening. Plus people want peace and quiet which city centers don't offer (at least in the United States).

ergothus 7y ago

> Make it so bad that people stop driving. ...that only works if there are viable alternatives (see "public transit" portion of proposal" > make it so bad that people move closer to work. Do you really believe it's that easy to move? and then never switch your job? The proposal is trying to fix the problems you are complaining about, I'm not sure what value your alternatives would bring.

isostatic 7y ago

40 years ago a typical family was 1 main wage earner and a stay at home mum, or at least a mum with a flexible employment Now you have two people (a+b) in a career. They start off living 10 miles from their office (A + B), and meet each other at a mutual friend (f) that's 10 miles in the opposite direction A -- a -- f -- b -- B They then move in equidistant, 20 miles A -- -- afb -- -- B Then office A moves 10 miles the wrong way A -- -- -- afb -- -- B How do ab move closer to work?

lostdog 7y ago
You encourage businesses to put their offices in a similar location, and on major transit routes. Then, even if A or B switch jobs their commute is still easy.
- bobthepanda 7y ago
  There are lots of employers that can't be centralized in downtown areas, like - schools - hospitals - malls/retail All of those things need to be close to residents who don't necessarily live downtown or on major transit lines. And they're also all expensive to move. How many of them are well connected to transit today?
epistasis 7y ago
Both linear options you show with afb between the workplaces is a significant improvement over current options, as current zoning makes even choosing an in between location impossible for nearly everyone. Typically both workers are required to commute in quite similar directions because development has only been allowed further and further out from existing development. Also, Moving such that one person can take transit or walk would also be a huge huge improvement in traffic.

damnyou 7y ago

Work-life balance? People should not be slaves to their work. One advantage of both cars and proper mass transit systems is that you don't have to move if your work does, or if you switch jobs, or if a partner moves in...