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That’s true in average cases but at the highest levels of power, having inconvenient people killed is just another power like getting caviar delivered by privat

by anbop 7y ago

That’s true in average cases but at the highest levels of power, having inconvenient people killed is just another power like getting caviar delivered by private jet.

Consultant32452 7y ago
Even ignoring conspiracies there's many, many people in our government who have people killed as a legitimate and legal part of their job. If you include legitimate killings by military personnel, there's a LOT of killers walking the streets. It's a very standard part of life that's hard for most people to really grasp. Once you consider that there are literally thousands upon thousands of legitimate, legal killers in the country, and a smaller set of people with the power to order those killers to do killing, it really doesn't make sense to assume that all the killing is above board.
el_cujo 7y ago
I don’t think what you’re saying is wrong, but all of these people live in the real world where accidents/sudden illness/etc do happen every day, so it would be nice to have some evidence beyond “this guy benefitted from this other guy dying.” I’m not a lawyer or anything, but even the legal system isn’t really supposed to look at motivation as evidence in a case, though I’m sure it sways juries.
- danenania 7y ago
  "but all of these people live in the real world where accidents/sudden illness/etc do happen every day" Yes, but we can also use Bayesian methods. If someone with powerful, murderous enemies dies in an extremely improbable way, it's not statistically sound to just say "accidents happen every day". Of course you would need proof to actually convict someone, but it could definitely be a legitimate reason to start asking questions.
- Zircom 7y ago
  >I’m not a lawyer or anything, but even the legal system isn’t really supposed to look at motivation as evidence in a case, though I’m sure it sways juries. "Motive, means and opportunity" is typically what investigators need before charging someone with a crime so not quite sure if it follows that it's not supposed to be brought up in court?

by anbop 7y ago

That’s true in average cases but at the highest levels of power, having inconvenient people killed is just another power like getting caviar delivered by private jet.

Consultant32452 7y ago

Even ignoring conspiracies there's many, many people in our government who have people killed as a legitimate and legal part of their job. If you include legitimate killings by military personnel, there's a LOT of killers walking the streets. It's a very standard part of life that's hard for most people to really grasp. Once you consider that there are literally thousands upon thousands of legitimate, legal killers in the country, and a smaller set of people with the power to order those killers to do killing, it really doesn't make sense to assume that all the killing is above board.

el_cujo 7y ago

I don’t think what you’re saying is wrong, but all of these people live in the real world where accidents/sudden illness/etc do happen every day, so it would be nice to have some evidence beyond “this guy benefitted from this other guy dying.” I’m not a lawyer or anything, but even the legal system isn’t really supposed to look at motivation as evidence in a case, though I’m sure it sways juries.

danenania 7y ago
"but all of these people live in the real world where accidents/sudden illness/etc do happen every day" Yes, but we can also use Bayesian methods. If someone with powerful, murderous enemies dies in an extremely improbable way, it's not statistically sound to just say "accidents happen every day". Of course you would need proof to actually convict someone, but it could definitely be a legitimate reason to start asking questions.
Zircom 7y ago
>I’m not a lawyer or anything, but even the legal system isn’t really supposed to look at motivation as evidence in a case, though I’m sure it sways juries. "Motive, means and opportunity" is typically what investigators need before charging someone with a crime so not quite sure if it follows that it's not supposed to be brought up in court?