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FTA: "it is estimated that 28.3% of the EU population aged 16 or over could not afford a one-week annual holiday away from home in 2018" Surely including 16 ye

FTA: "it is estimated that 28.3% of the EU population aged 16 or over could not afford a one-week annual holiday away from home in 2018" Surely including 16 year olds is skewing these numbers.

refurb 7y ago
That's true of most of the stats you see. For example looking at incomes. If you're a college kid making $5K over the summer, you're counted as being below the poverty level.
- sdinsn 7y ago
  In America, only college students that live off campus and do not live with relatives are counted in the official poverty rate. I can't really see why they should be excluded, since they are living in poverty that is just often propped up by debt. But, the census bureau also calculates an additional poverty rate that excludes college students.
- gregoryexe 7y ago
  lies, damn lies and...
- mrweasel 7y ago
  Except if you're Danish, students are always excluded when counting who's poor or not. Technically students are poor (mostly), but it's viewed a temporary, and therefore they're not included.
- beatgammit 7y ago
  It should probably only include people mid-twenties to mid-fifties or so, which should hopefully avoid most intentionally underemployed people. I care about breadwinners, not dependents.
w-m 7y ago
I can see that going either way, depending on how the question is posed. Fewer 16-year olds may be able to afford a vacation paid from their own income, compared to the population mean. But sponsored through parents/relatives, more 16-year olds than the population mean may be able to take a vacation, given your vacation at 16 years old is likely to be cheap, relative to an older person's vacation.
INTPenis 7y ago
Totally agree but I can also say that at around 17-18 most Swedish kids I grew up around had been on some sort of travel abroad. Either themselves or with a student organisation. Sort of a vacation. It used to be very popular to "tågluffa" here when I grew up, which means getting a train pass and just seeing Europe by rail.
- oh_sigh 7y ago
  That's probably their parents paying their way, and not them trying to get by on their own savings.

FTA: "it is estimated that 28.3% of the EU population aged 16 or over could not afford a one-week annual holiday away from home in 2018" Surely including 16 year olds is skewing these numbers.

refurb 7y ago

That's true of most of the stats you see. For example looking at incomes. If you're a college kid making $5K over the summer, you're counted as being below the poverty level.

sdinsn 7y ago
In America, only college students that live off campus and do not live with relatives are counted in the official poverty rate. I can't really see why they should be excluded, since they are living in poverty that is just often propped up by debt. But, the census bureau also calculates an additional poverty rate that excludes college students.
gregoryexe 7y ago
lies, damn lies and...
mrweasel 7y ago
Except if you're Danish, students are always excluded when counting who's poor or not. Technically students are poor (mostly), but it's viewed a temporary, and therefore they're not included.
beatgammit 7y ago
It should probably only include people mid-twenties to mid-fifties or so, which should hopefully avoid most intentionally underemployed people. I care about breadwinners, not dependents.

w-m 7y ago

I can see that going either way, depending on how the question is posed. Fewer 16-year olds may be able to afford a vacation paid from their own income, compared to the population mean. But sponsored through parents/relatives, more 16-year olds than the population mean may be able to take a vacation, given your vacation at 16 years old is likely to be cheap, relative to an older person's vacation.

INTPenis 7y ago

Totally agree but I can also say that at around 17-18 most Swedish kids I grew up around had been on some sort of travel abroad. Either themselves or with a student organisation. Sort of a vacation. It used to be very popular to "tågluffa" here when I grew up, which means getting a train pass and just seeing Europe by rail.

oh_sigh 7y ago
That's probably their parents paying their way, and not them trying to get by on their own savings.