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But it's an opinion at best. Unless it's your profession to evaluate the entire process, you're not in a position to claim it as a fact, thus it's hot air. Of

But it's an opinion at best. Unless it's your profession to evaluate the entire process, you're not in a position to claim it as a fact, thus it's hot air. Of course there is a difference between really great and average recruiters, and of course the outreach is almost spam. That doesn't mean they're useless though, think of them like fishnets dragged around, except the fish can decide to leave

deathanatos 7y ago
> But it's an opinion at best. Oh, I have enough recruiter emails to write a blog post on how it's objectively bad. Any attempt to hire someone is going to need to cover at least a few things: What am I doing? Who am I doing it for? (and maybe, what do they do?, since SWE is usually combined w/ some other industry) How am I being compensated for that work? Now, I "get" that many companies seem to like to withhold compensation information until the last possible moment so that we can try to negotiate a candidate as close to 0 as possible, so I don't really expect to get all of that information in the first brush. But half time time, I get none of it, or nearly none of it. E.g., > Your profile seems to be impressive for a [senior backend SWE] with our direct client in [location I am not interested in, which is mention in the LinkedIn profile the recruiter is coming from], If interested, please do respond with your contact details. That's the whole email. We got like… half a role. Okay, Senior SWE, backend, but that's basically my résumé. What does the company do? What industry are they in? What is the team working on? What might I be working on? Alas, it's not even geographically relevant, despite LinkedIn having that information in a structured format, so, it's not relevant. Lots of talk about unicorns and VC funding though.
- LanceH 7y ago
  The funny thing about holding back compensation until the last minute is that we're not negotiating until they've decided they want me. They're exhausted from the search, have found someone they want (and I know it), and we start negotiating.

deathanatos 7y ago

> But it's an opinion at best. Oh, I have enough recruiter emails to write a blog post on how it's objectively bad. Any attempt to hire someone is going to need to cover at least a few things: What am I doing? Who am I doing it for? (and maybe, what do they do?, since SWE is usually combined w/ some other industry) How am I being compensated for that work? Now, I "get" that many companies seem to like to withhold compensation information until the last possible moment so that we can try to negotiate a candidate as close to 0 as possible, so I don't really expect to get all of that information in the first brush. But half time time, I get none of it, or nearly none of it. E.g., > Your profile seems to be impressive for a [senior backend SWE] with our direct client in [location I am not interested in, which is mention in the LinkedIn profile the recruiter is coming from], If interested, please do respond with your contact details. That's the whole email. We got like… half a role. Okay, Senior SWE, backend, but that's basically my résumé. What does the company do? What industry are they in? What is the team working on? What might I be working on? Alas, it's not even geographically relevant, despite LinkedIn having that information in a structured format, so, it's not relevant. Lots of talk about unicorns and VC funding though.

LanceH 7y ago
The funny thing about holding back compensation until the last minute is that we're not negotiating until they've decided they want me. They're exhausted from the search, have found someone they want (and I know it), and we start negotiating.