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Disk space has increased by orders of magnitude. Downloading an additional 500MB Of stuff seems like a completely worthwhile trade off for me if it means that t

Disk space has increased by orders of magnitude. Downloading an additional 500MB Of stuff seems like a completely worthwhile trade off for me if it means that the application I’m using is supported on Windows, Mac, and Linux, as opposed to the previous situation where uTorrent was a Windows only app, Transmission was a MAC only app, and then after many years they came over to the other side but with half baked functionality, and no where in there was a Linux option (or if it did arrive, it was even later). Compare that to Slack, or VS Code, which were available on Windows, Mac and Linux almost immediately, all while maintaining feature parity.

michaelmrose 7y ago
Average machines in 2006 were mostly desktops with hard drives of 80/120/160GB. Average machines in 2019 are mostly laptops with 500GB/1TB of storage in many cases much much faster ssds. This is less than one order of magnitude in the last 13 years. I personally would like to use that extra space for useful tools and multimedia not bloated chat apps. uTorrent is perhaps another bad choice. uTorrents first public beta release was in late 05 Qbittorrent was released in early 06. By the time about anyone was aware of uTorrent Qbittorrent was already a thing and as good. uTorrent went on to become first proprietary and ultimately ended up installing malware on users system and mining coin whereas Qbittorrent is still awesome. Slack with its famously crappy performance and battery destruction is probably another bad choice to make the case although I hear its improved lately. Maybe wait another year to use it as an example so people have time to forget how much it sucked. I would totally stay with comparing say visual studio code to visual studio and hope your audience doesn't remember Emacs and Jetbrains products are also cross platform without electron.
- outside1234 7y ago
  Jetbrains was terribly slow, terribly memory hoggy — far worse than VSCode (which is insanely fast I will note). I think instead you should hope they do remember those.
  - mighty_bander 7y ago
    I don't know if it's improved, or if it's just my newly-acquired fast computer, but PyCharm (JetBrains with a Python sock puppet on its hand) has been pretty great, at least for the smallish projects that I've been working on.
  - pirocks 7y ago
    They are doing more than vscode/slack though, so it is understandable that lots of ram is needed.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Try to load VSCode with the same set of plugins that InteliJ has out of the box and then see how it actually behaves.
- sbergot 7y ago
  Jetbrains is paid and has probably a larger team behind it. Building those cross platform desktop apps is the business model of their company. Of course they should pick something else than electron. They hire developers that will have the java skills needed to build it. I wouldn't say that emacs is a shining exemple of desktop UI. Everything is based on text buffers and keyboard commands. I don't see this type of application getting the same scale of adoption as vscode or slack (and this comes someone who has used emacs as an editor for python and org mode files for 3 years).

michaelmrose 7y ago

Average machines in 2006 were mostly desktops with hard drives of 80/120/160GB. Average machines in 2019 are mostly laptops with 500GB/1TB of storage in many cases much much faster ssds. This is less than one order of magnitude in the last 13 years. I personally would like to use that extra space for useful tools and multimedia not bloated chat apps. uTorrent is perhaps another bad choice. uTorrents first public beta release was in late 05 Qbittorrent was released in early 06. By the time about anyone was aware of uTorrent Qbittorrent was already a thing and as good. uTorrent went on to become first proprietary and ultimately ended up installing malware on users system and mining coin whereas Qbittorrent is still awesome. Slack with its famously crappy performance and battery destruction is probably another bad choice to make the case although I hear its improved lately. Maybe wait another year to use it as an example so people have time to forget how much it sucked. I would totally stay with comparing say visual studio code to visual studio and hope your audience doesn't remember Emacs and Jetbrains products are also cross platform without electron.

outside1234 7y ago
Jetbrains was terribly slow, terribly memory hoggy — far worse than VSCode (which is insanely fast I will note). I think instead you should hope they do remember those.
- mighty_bander 7y ago
  I don't know if it's improved, or if it's just my newly-acquired fast computer, but PyCharm (JetBrains with a Python sock puppet on its hand) has been pretty great, at least for the smallish projects that I've been working on.
- pirocks 7y ago
  They are doing more than vscode/slack though, so it is understandable that lots of ram is needed.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Try to load VSCode with the same set of plugins that InteliJ has out of the box and then see how it actually behaves.
sbergot 7y ago
Jetbrains is paid and has probably a larger team behind it. Building those cross platform desktop apps is the business model of their company. Of course they should pick something else than electron. They hire developers that will have the java skills needed to build it. I wouldn't say that emacs is a shining exemple of desktop UI. Everything is based on text buffers and keyboard commands. I don't see this type of application getting the same scale of adoption as vscode or slack (and this comes someone who has used emacs as an editor for python and org mode files for 3 years).