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From what I'm told should be thousands of stories like this, why can't you find one where you can prove that the person died? It's all rumor and second hand sto

From what I'm told should be thousands of stories like this, why can't you find one where you can prove that the person died? It's all rumor and second hand stories. If someone in my family died due to someone refusing them medical care I'd be all over the media about it.

SolaceQuantum 7y ago
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-devastating-process-of-dying-in-america-without-insurance/ https://www.thenation.com/article/the-devastating-process-of... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/24/us-healthcare-republican-bill-no-coverage-death https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/24/us-healthcar... https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/10/15/study-45000-deaths-per-year-due-to-lack-of-health-insurance/ https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/10/15/study-45... https://www.nap.edu/catalog/10367/care-without-coverage-too-little-too-late https://www.nap.edu/catalog/10367/care-without-coverage-too-... https://www.bustle.com/p/these-20-stories-refute-the-idea-that-people-dont-die-from-a-lack-of-health-care-access-56259 https://www.bustle.com/p/these-20-stories-refute-the-idea-th... ??? There are studies that directly show that not having insurance is deadly.
- fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
  From the first example: "By the time Portillo found out about a small county program that sends health workers to the homes of low-income, bedridden patients, her father had been at home without pain medication for two and a half months. The nurse practitioner who came, spurred by Aquilino’s obvious suffering, rushed to order medication to make him more comfortable. Two days later, when the morphine had barely had a chance to soothe him, he was gone." There was a program, they didn't use it until the end, he was going to die anyway. He did not die due to lack of medical care. I'm not going to go through each one, give me your best example. >??? There are studies that directly show that not having insurance is deadly. Also that tobacco doesn't cause cancer, guess what those studies have in common?
  - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
    "Also that tobacco doesn't cause cancer, guess what those studies have in common?" No, please do tell me exactly what those studies have in common, with citations. You asked for something that isn't rumor and second hand stories. I provided. Now you move the goalposts and ask for my single best story. Please clarify your behavior and your motivations in engaging in this discussion: Do you actually wish to process data that is contrary to your belief on how the world functions?
    - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
      The people who produce them benefit from the result. Who says we need massive governmental spending in healthcare? Why governmental healthcare authorities of course! I'm skeptical, especially when the specific examples provided don't match up with the rhetoric. Also the burden would not even be that people die from lack of healthcare in the US, it would be that more people die from lack of healthcare in the US than people die from healthcare rationing in the UK. He's a case of someone who actually died from that[0]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Gard_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Gard_case
      - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
        "The people who produce them benefit from the result." Can you cite specific studies, their specific researchers, and their specific funding grants? "Also the burden would not even be that people die from lack of healthcare in the US, it would be that more people die from lack of healthcare in the US than people die from healthcare rationing in the UK" This is not what you claimed. Please clarify the contradiction between your statements.
        fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
        Readers will see my point, I don't need to get into the weeds with you like this over minor details.
        7y ago
hestipod 7y ago
It's not just about dying. It's about living. I have had minimal to no access to quality medical care in America since I went through this. I have had to choose NOT to seek care for things I needed to because I cannot pay for it. I have been denied many things a reasonable person would expect to receive. There is only one reason people defend this system...ego. They cannot accept that American Capitalism isn't the best thing ever. Their pride matters more than other people. It's shameful.

SolaceQuantum 7y ago

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-devastating-process-of-dying-in-america-without-insurance/ https://www.thenation.com/article/the-devastating-process-of... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/24/us-healthcare-republican-bill-no-coverage-death https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/24/us-healthcar... https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/10/15/study-45000-deaths-per-year-due-to-lack-of-health-insurance/ https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/10/15/study-45... https://www.nap.edu/catalog/10367/care-without-coverage-too-little-too-late https://www.nap.edu/catalog/10367/care-without-coverage-too-... https://www.bustle.com/p/these-20-stories-refute-the-idea-that-people-dont-die-from-a-lack-of-health-care-access-56259 https://www.bustle.com/p/these-20-stories-refute-the-idea-th... ??? There are studies that directly show that not having insurance is deadly.

fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
From the first example: "By the time Portillo found out about a small county program that sends health workers to the homes of low-income, bedridden patients, her father had been at home without pain medication for two and a half months. The nurse practitioner who came, spurred by Aquilino’s obvious suffering, rushed to order medication to make him more comfortable. Two days later, when the morphine had barely had a chance to soothe him, he was gone." There was a program, they didn't use it until the end, he was going to die anyway. He did not die due to lack of medical care. I'm not going to go through each one, give me your best example. >??? There are studies that directly show that not having insurance is deadly. Also that tobacco doesn't cause cancer, guess what those studies have in common?
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  "Also that tobacco doesn't cause cancer, guess what those studies have in common?" No, please do tell me exactly what those studies have in common, with citations. You asked for something that isn't rumor and second hand stories. I provided. Now you move the goalposts and ask for my single best story. Please clarify your behavior and your motivations in engaging in this discussion: Do you actually wish to process data that is contrary to your belief on how the world functions?
  - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
    The people who produce them benefit from the result. Who says we need massive governmental spending in healthcare? Why governmental healthcare authorities of course! I'm skeptical, especially when the specific examples provided don't match up with the rhetoric. Also the burden would not even be that people die from lack of healthcare in the US, it would be that more people die from lack of healthcare in the US than people die from healthcare rationing in the UK. He's a case of someone who actually died from that[0]. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Gard_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Gard_case
    - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
      "The people who produce them benefit from the result." Can you cite specific studies, their specific researchers, and their specific funding grants? "Also the burden would not even be that people die from lack of healthcare in the US, it would be that more people die from lack of healthcare in the US than people die from healthcare rationing in the UK" This is not what you claimed. Please clarify the contradiction between your statements.
      - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
        Readers will see my point, I don't need to get into the weeds with you like this over minor details.
        7y ago

hestipod 7y ago

It's not just about dying. It's about living. I have had minimal to no access to quality medical care in America since I went through this. I have had to choose NOT to seek care for things I needed to because I cannot pay for it. I have been denied many things a reasonable person would expect to receive. There is only one reason people defend this system...ego. They cannot accept that American Capitalism isn't the best thing ever. Their pride matters more than other people. It's shameful.