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I think you are post rationalizing. Places like Norway, where I live have far more chill police and would let smaller things slide. Yet Norway is about as safe

I think you are post rationalizing. Places like Norway, where I live have far more chill police and would let smaller things slide. Yet Norway is about as safe as Japan. Most difference between crime in Norway and Japan is more likely down to Norway having much larger immigrant population from poorer countries. I think your attitude easily ends up excusing police states. Japanese justice system is highly questionable. Almost nobody ever gets acquitted in the justice system, and prison is rather harsh. Norway gets away with low crime despite (or because of) probably the worlds most liberal prison system. Don't get me wrong. I admire a lot about Japan, but I think you easily fall into the trap of thinking that everything great about Japan is directly the result of something bad. I would argue more important factor causing law crime in Japan is much the same as in Nordic countries. Low levels of inequality. How people are socialized. Stricter gun laws. And let us not forget that the average age is high in Japan. Older people commit a lot less crime.

nihonde 7y ago
Japan polices itself so that the police generally don’t have to. I don’t know about Norway, so I won’t comment. I can tell you it’s easy to avoid trouble with the state in Japan. Your biggest worry is going to be an older person who enforces social norms, which is exactly what got GP here.
sithadmin 7y ago
>And let us not forget that the average age is high in Japan. Older people commit a lot less crime. Japan has actually been seeing a rise in crime among the elderly population lately: https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/11/22/500040363/golden-years-iron-bars-japan-sees-rise-in-crime-by-the-elderly https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/11/22/500040363/...
d0100 7y ago
> Stricter gun laws. In a country of literal ninjas and samurais, this is the most inconsequential of all the reasons you gave.
- nostalgk 7y ago
  Pretty sure the average citizen doesn't carry the Daishō any longer these days. Unless they're all actually ninjas with concealed weapons.
- tyrust 7y ago
  I assume you're joking, but this is sorta racist and also dismissive of the value of stricter gun regulations.
  - d0100 7y ago
    It is dismissive of stricter gun regulations, but not at all racist. Take off your racist-colored glasses and just look at history.
    - tyrust 7y ago
      It is racist. It is making generalizations of people in an entire country based on old history. It would be like calling the US a country of literal cowboys.
  - albatruss 7y ago
    The value of stricter gun regulations is actually minimal - we already have the effective ones in place. Take a look at the studies for yourself, e.g. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309755075_Does_Gun_Control_Reduce_Violent_Crime https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309755075_Does_Gun_...
    - tyrust 7y ago
      Sorry I don't really have time to get into this. I looked very briefly at that study. It compares US cities to other US cities using data from 1990. I would be more interested in how the US stacks up against other countries that don't have to act within the limitations of the Second Amendment. More recent data would probably be valuable as well.
steeleduncan 7y ago
> Yet Norway is about as safe as Japan Norway was has a murder rate 2.5x that of Japan[1]. Norway is considerably less safe than Japan, albeit still very safe by global standards. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...
- nosuchuser2 7y ago
  Japan's official murder rate is widely believed to be significantly underreported.
  - CountSessine 7y ago
    <citation required>
    - mullen 7y ago
      https://www.tokyoreview.net/2017/08/myth-japans-bored-police/ https://www.tokyoreview.net/2017/08/myth-japans-bored-police... https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-unreported/ https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-u... https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-legal/osaka-police-failed-to-report-81000-crimes-between-2008-and-2012-probe/#.XUHl5JNKiL4 https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-... Japan also has a huge issue with people admitting to crimes they did not commit. https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system-carlos-ghosn-arrest-nissan-kelly https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system... https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572
      - CountSessine 7y ago
        https://www.tokyoreview.net/2017/08/myth-japans-bored-police.. https://www.tokyoreview.net/2017/08/myth-japans-bored-police.... https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-u.. https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-u.... https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-.. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-.... Japan also has a huge issue with people admitting to crimes they did not commit. https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system.. https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system.... https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572* https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572* @nosuchuser2 said, "Japan's official murder rate is widely believed to be significantly underreported" in response to someone noting that Norway's murder rate is 2.5x Japan's murder rate. None of the articles you linked to even mentions an elevated or misreported murder rate. Instead you linked to articles suggesting that sex crimes are underreported. Sex crimes are actually underreported in just about every industrialized country, US included. Given that the official murder statistics are what they are, citation is still required

nihonde 7y ago

Japan polices itself so that the police generally don’t have to. I don’t know about Norway, so I won’t comment. I can tell you it’s easy to avoid trouble with the state in Japan. Your biggest worry is going to be an older person who enforces social norms, which is exactly what got GP here.

sithadmin 7y ago

>And let us not forget that the average age is high in Japan. Older people commit a lot less crime. Japan has actually been seeing a rise in crime among the elderly population lately: https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/11/22/500040363/golden-years-iron-bars-japan-sees-rise-in-crime-by-the-elderly https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/11/22/500040363/...

d0100 7y ago

> Stricter gun laws. In a country of literal ninjas and samurais, this is the most inconsequential of all the reasons you gave.

nostalgk 7y ago
Pretty sure the average citizen doesn't carry the Daishō any longer these days. Unless they're all actually ninjas with concealed weapons.
tyrust 7y ago
I assume you're joking, but this is sorta racist and also dismissive of the value of stricter gun regulations.
- d0100 7y ago
  It is dismissive of stricter gun regulations, but not at all racist. Take off your racist-colored glasses and just look at history.
  - tyrust 7y ago
    It is racist. It is making generalizations of people in an entire country based on old history. It would be like calling the US a country of literal cowboys.
- albatruss 7y ago
  The value of stricter gun regulations is actually minimal - we already have the effective ones in place. Take a look at the studies for yourself, e.g. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309755075_Does_Gun_Control_Reduce_Violent_Crime https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309755075_Does_Gun_...
  - tyrust 7y ago
    Sorry I don't really have time to get into this. I looked very briefly at that study. It compares US cities to other US cities using data from 1990. I would be more interested in how the US stacks up against other countries that don't have to act within the limitations of the Second Amendment. More recent data would probably be valuable as well.

steeleduncan 7y ago

> Yet Norway is about as safe as Japan Norway was has a murder rate 2.5x that of Japan[1]. Norway is considerably less safe than Japan, albeit still very safe by global standards. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

nosuchuser2 7y ago
Japan's official murder rate is widely believed to be significantly underreported.
- CountSessine 7y ago
  <citation required>
  - mullen 7y ago
    https://www.tokyoreview.net/2017/08/myth-japans-bored-police/ https://www.tokyoreview.net/2017/08/myth-japans-bored-police... https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-unreported/ https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-u... https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-legal/osaka-police-failed-to-report-81000-crimes-between-2008-and-2012-probe/#.XUHl5JNKiL4 https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-... Japan also has a huge issue with people admitting to crimes they did not commit. https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system-carlos-ghosn-arrest-nissan-kelly https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system... https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572
    - CountSessine 7y ago
      https://www.tokyoreview.net/2017/08/myth-japans-bored-police.. https://www.tokyoreview.net/2017/08/myth-japans-bored-police.... https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-u.. https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2017/06/sex-crimes-japan-go-u.... https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-.. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/31/national/crime-.... Japan also has a huge issue with people admitting to crimes they did not commit. https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system.. https://www.france24.com/en/20181207-japan-justice-99-system.... https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572* https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572* @nosuchuser2 said, "Japan's official murder rate is widely believed to be significantly underreported" in response to someone noting that Norway's murder rate is 2.5x Japan's murder rate. None of the articles you linked to even mentions an elevated or misreported murder rate. Instead you linked to articles suggesting that sex crimes are underreported. Sex crimes are actually underreported in just about every industrialized country, US included. Given that the official murder statistics are what they are, citation is still required