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I'm saying tying your identity to a nation is a cesspit to begin with. cf George Carlin's fantastic views [0] For shits and giggles, I'd LOVE to see you take a

by exergy 7y ago

I'm saying tying your identity to a nation is a cesspit to begin with. cf George Carlin's fantastic views [0] For shits and giggles, I'd LOVE to see you take a gander at justifying the inferno that was Dresden, and for extra credit, Churchill's: "I hate the Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion". I'm all ears cause I'm Indian, see. PS: I hope you don't get the impression that I think you're advocating for brexit. I do get that you're just explaining the Why. But I do not agree that it ISN'T controversial. Thanks to the shenanigans of the Leave dickheads, Britain has fucked not only itself, but a lot of other things as collateral. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O8AI_0F1ts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O8AI_0F1ts

hordeallergy 7y ago
Based on your comments one would agree with Churchill. Dickhead.
- exergy 7y ago
  Sure man. Vitriolic language and letting several millions starve to their death are definitely comparable transgressions.
  - hordeallergy 7y ago
    Who's comparing?
growlist 7y ago
> I'm saying tying your identity to a nation is a cesspit to begin with. Well, good luck in your re-education programme for the majority of the world's citizens then that identifying with their nation is horrific. Who are you, or anyone else to stand in judgement? My view on Britain's history is that Europe/the World was a bad neighbourhood back then, and to apply today's standards is dishonest. And how far back do you want to go? Also I could throw in that India itself dealt out some pretty unpleasant ethnic cleansing during partition if you like. I suppose that's all the UK's fault as well though. I think you are being a little bit Mary Poppins in calling out the shenanigans of the Leave side alone. It's all just politics, Leave did nothing especially egregious. Even the £350m pledge is now shown to have been accurate. UK politics sadly is becoming one long history of lies, broken manifesto pledges and xxxxing over of the British public.
- exergy 7y ago
  I do NOT associate my identity with my nation though. I associate it with my hobbies and work. Indian conduct has been equally abhorrent, that is my point, yes. EVERY nation. The reason I'm spewing bile is because of this fallacy that both sides, Leave and Remain, were equally bad. I see the same thing when people say climate deniers should be given equal airtime, or when people say the US Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans.
  - growlist 7y ago
    > I do NOT associate my identity with my nation though. I associate it with my hobbies and work. Indian conduct has been equally abhorrent, that is my point, yes. EVERY nation. No worries. But you don't get to determine how other people feel, or to tell them what to think. Acting like you do is just as dangerous as nationalism. Edit: question for you: you said 'saying tying your identity to a nation is a cesspit to begin with' - so to take the First Nation peoples in Canada as an example (and I know there are a multiplicity of different groups here) - going by your statement it might be thought best to deprive them of ties to their traditions and history, because this equates to them tying their identity to a nation (group of people). Agree, or not? And if not, how is their situation different to any other nation? > The reason I'm spewing bile is because of this fallacy that both sides, Leave and Remain, were equally bad. I see the same thing when people say climate deniers should be given equal airtime, or when people say the US Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans. That's just your opinion. What makes you the omniscient, perfect judge? There are people on the other side that would argue the direct opposite of what you say - 17.4m or so of them perhaps. You would argue that they are all just stupid/ignorant/evil etc?
- toyg 7y ago
  > the £350m pledge is now shown to have been accurate. Wut? It's today's news that the government has already spent £ 4 billions to brexit preparations, with the prospect of spending more from here to October and beyond. There won't be any "dividend" from brexit, let alone 350m a week.
Arnt 7y ago
Dresden was a major transport hub for weapons and other supplies going to the eastern front. The area bombed was a decent approximation of the area used for that transport. It was also an area where many people lived and with many priceless buildings. As for Churchill and India, he got 100,000 tons of wheat shipped to India, during a war. India has been invaded seven times, right? Did any of the other six ship comparable quantities of drought aid across either the Himalayas or the ocean when there were droughts in a part of India?

by exergy 7y ago

hordeallergy 7y ago

Based on your comments one would agree with Churchill. Dickhead.

exergy 7y ago
Sure man. Vitriolic language and letting several millions starve to their death are definitely comparable transgressions.
- hordeallergy 7y ago
  Who's comparing?

growlist 7y ago

> I'm saying tying your identity to a nation is a cesspit to begin with. Well, good luck in your re-education programme for the majority of the world's citizens then that identifying with their nation is horrific. Who are you, or anyone else to stand in judgement? My view on Britain's history is that Europe/the World was a bad neighbourhood back then, and to apply today's standards is dishonest. And how far back do you want to go? Also I could throw in that India itself dealt out some pretty unpleasant ethnic cleansing during partition if you like. I suppose that's all the UK's fault as well though. I think you are being a little bit Mary Poppins in calling out the shenanigans of the Leave side alone. It's all just politics, Leave did nothing especially egregious. Even the £350m pledge is now shown to have been accurate. UK politics sadly is becoming one long history of lies, broken manifesto pledges and xxxxing over of the British public.

exergy 7y ago
I do NOT associate my identity with my nation though. I associate it with my hobbies and work. Indian conduct has been equally abhorrent, that is my point, yes. EVERY nation. The reason I'm spewing bile is because of this fallacy that both sides, Leave and Remain, were equally bad. I see the same thing when people say climate deniers should be given equal airtime, or when people say the US Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans.
- growlist 7y ago
  > I do NOT associate my identity with my nation though. I associate it with my hobbies and work. Indian conduct has been equally abhorrent, that is my point, yes. EVERY nation. No worries. But you don't get to determine how other people feel, or to tell them what to think. Acting like you do is just as dangerous as nationalism. Edit: question for you: you said 'saying tying your identity to a nation is a cesspit to begin with' - so to take the First Nation peoples in Canada as an example (and I know there are a multiplicity of different groups here) - going by your statement it might be thought best to deprive them of ties to their traditions and history, because this equates to them tying their identity to a nation (group of people). Agree, or not? And if not, how is their situation different to any other nation? > The reason I'm spewing bile is because of this fallacy that both sides, Leave and Remain, were equally bad. I see the same thing when people say climate deniers should be given equal airtime, or when people say the US Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans. That's just your opinion. What makes you the omniscient, perfect judge? There are people on the other side that would argue the direct opposite of what you say - 17.4m or so of them perhaps. You would argue that they are all just stupid/ignorant/evil etc?
toyg 7y ago
> the £350m pledge is now shown to have been accurate. Wut? It's today's news that the government has already spent £ 4 billions to brexit preparations, with the prospect of spending more from here to October and beyond. There won't be any "dividend" from brexit, let alone 350m a week.

Arnt 7y ago

Dresden was a major transport hub for weapons and other supplies going to the eastern front. The area bombed was a decent approximation of the area used for that transport. It was also an area where many people lived and with many priceless buildings. As for Churchill and India, he got 100,000 tons of wheat shipped to India, during a war. India has been invaded seven times, right? Did any of the other six ship comparable quantities of drought aid across either the Himalayas or the ocean when there were droughts in a part of India?