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How is not doing something you don't want to do childish? Is it childish go to Barcelona instead of Paris on holiday?

microcolonel 7y ago
It's the particular jab against systemd I'm calling childish. It's no skin off his back to include a community-provided systemd .service file, for example; and he's precluding that entirely, presumably for some petty disdain.
- Crinus 7y ago
  Why is the jab against systemd childish? Also he links to systemd script files maintained by someone else, he just doesn't want to do that himself: https://github.com/jedisct1/dsvpn#thats-it https://github.com/jedisct1/dsvpn#thats-it
- iamnotacrook 7y ago
  "It's no skin off his back to include" It's effort he's deciding he doesn't want to expend. And why should he? "presumably for some petty disdain" His choice - he's doing the work, after all.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
> How is not doing something you don't want to do childish Actually that's kind of the definition of childish isn't it? Being an adult is often about recognizing you need to do things you don't want to do.
- iamnotacrook 7y ago
  He's a developer who doesn't feel like doing something. It's childish to expect him to do what YOU think he should be doing, isn't it? Why should he? It's his project - he doesn't want to do it, doesn't have to, doesn't owe anyone anything? I don't get this at all. Shifting change in society's attitudes, maybe? It's not enough to take someone's work for free; now there's an obligation that he answers to a higher power - anyone with an internet connection?
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
    > He's a developer who doesn't feel like doing something. It's childish to expect him to do what YOU think he should be doing, isn't it? If we're being asked to care about this developer's project, then I don't think it is unfair at all to criticize. Let me see if I can explain where I'm coming from with a short play representing many, many real dialogs I've had and read in my years of computing: Evangelist: "hey, you should use this thing I made!" Me: "No, it doesn't seem to do what I want." Evangelist: "You don't really need that anyway..." Me: "No, I really do." <20 minutes of pointlessness later> Evangelist: "It's wrong of you to criticize all this hard work I've given you for free!" Me: "I didn't ask for it!" So maybe too many years of dealing with open source software evangelists has lead me to assume that anyone posting a project like this is doing so in this vein.
- dymk 7y ago
  Relevant username
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't do this here. Edit: you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly. We ban such accounts. I don't want to ban you, so would you please review and follow them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's the particular jab against systemd I'm calling childish. It's no skin off his back to include a community-provided systemd .service file, for example; and he's precluding that entirely, presumably for some petty disdain.

Crinus 7y ago
Why is the jab against systemd childish? Also he links to systemd script files maintained by someone else, he just doesn't want to do that himself: https://github.com/jedisct1/dsvpn#thats-it https://github.com/jedisct1/dsvpn#thats-it
iamnotacrook 7y ago
"It's no skin off his back to include" It's effort he's deciding he doesn't want to expend. And why should he? "presumably for some petty disdain" His choice - he's doing the work, after all.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago

> How is not doing something you don't want to do childish Actually that's kind of the definition of childish isn't it? Being an adult is often about recognizing you need to do things you don't want to do.

iamnotacrook 7y ago
He's a developer who doesn't feel like doing something. It's childish to expect him to do what YOU think he should be doing, isn't it? Why should he? It's his project - he doesn't want to do it, doesn't have to, doesn't owe anyone anything? I don't get this at all. Shifting change in society's attitudes, maybe? It's not enough to take someone's work for free; now there's an obligation that he answers to a higher power - anyone with an internet connection?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  > He's a developer who doesn't feel like doing something. It's childish to expect him to do what YOU think he should be doing, isn't it? If we're being asked to care about this developer's project, then I don't think it is unfair at all to criticize. Let me see if I can explain where I'm coming from with a short play representing many, many real dialogs I've had and read in my years of computing: Evangelist: "hey, you should use this thing I made!" Me: "No, it doesn't seem to do what I want." Evangelist: "You don't really need that anyway..." Me: "No, I really do." <20 minutes of pointlessness later> Evangelist: "It's wrong of you to criticize all this hard work I've given you for free!" Me: "I didn't ask for it!" So maybe too many years of dealing with open source software evangelists has lead me to assume that anyone posting a project like this is doing so in this vein.
dymk 7y ago
Relevant username
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't do this here. Edit: you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly. We ban such accounts. I don't want to ban you, so would you please review and follow them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html