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> People in parks after dark Truly land of the free.

by LeonidasXIV 7y ago

atom-morgan 7y ago
This has always irritated me. If someone wants to go running or walking through a park at night, let them.
- jotm 7y ago
  So, what's defined as "at night"? I used to go for a run at 11pm, or 3am, because I could not sleep and there are no people, it's nice...
  - okmokmz 7y ago
    Locally, a lot of the public parks are closed to the public from dusk to dawn or sunset to sunrise
- Nasrudith 7y ago
  It is a stupid cheap halfway enforcement because of parks at night being a good place for vice activities which leave unsavory evidence later (used syringes, condoms, booze bottles). I know because that was a shift taken after a few incidents of prostitution at night and unsavory hazardous litter prompted the change. The alternatives are obvious (open but larger patrols at night to make it unsuitable) but that is more expensive for what is a fringe activity.
dfxm12 7y ago
You're free to vote into law such local ordinances and for local politicians who support such ordinances. You're also free to vote for politicians who will repeal such ordinances. I don't understand your apparent disdain...
- jazzabeanie 7y ago
  Depends on your definition of freedom. I personally like freedom to be about more than just voting.
- technothrasher 7y ago
  You're free to vote into law such local ordinances Well, it's not quite as cut and dry as that. There does seem to be some legitimate question on First Amendment right to peaceful assembly grounds. Much of the case law has generally upheld these ordinances, however it has shaped them so that municipalities have to be careful to construct the ordinances correctly.
bregma 7y ago
Freedoms are fine as long as they're mine and not someone else's.
logfromblammo 7y ago
The ordinances that close public parks after twilight are generally to provide cops with a pretext to confront anyone in the park who may otherwise have no-reasonable-suspicion opsec for their... ...sale or use of prohibited substances. ...prostitution. ...homeless campsites. ...public intoxication or underage drinking. ...pretentious indie filmmaking. ...spray-paint tagging. ...logging. ...poaching. ...dumping. ...lewd behavior. While some municipalities were forced to close parks at night, due to actual evidence of these activities, so the cops could move in and roust anyone they find, others preemptively closed their parks as cargo-cult ritual, hoping to prevent those activities from occurring in the first place.

> People in parks after dark Truly land of the free.

atom-morgan 7y ago

This has always irritated me. If someone wants to go running or walking through a park at night, let them.

jotm 7y ago
So, what's defined as "at night"? I used to go for a run at 11pm, or 3am, because I could not sleep and there are no people, it's nice...
- okmokmz 7y ago
  Locally, a lot of the public parks are closed to the public from dusk to dawn or sunset to sunrise
Nasrudith 7y ago
It is a stupid cheap halfway enforcement because of parks at night being a good place for vice activities which leave unsavory evidence later (used syringes, condoms, booze bottles). I know because that was a shift taken after a few incidents of prostitution at night and unsavory hazardous litter prompted the change. The alternatives are obvious (open but larger patrols at night to make it unsuitable) but that is more expensive for what is a fringe activity.

dfxm12 7y ago

You're free to vote into law such local ordinances and for local politicians who support such ordinances. You're also free to vote for politicians who will repeal such ordinances. I don't understand your apparent disdain...

jazzabeanie 7y ago
Depends on your definition of freedom. I personally like freedom to be about more than just voting.
technothrasher 7y ago
You're free to vote into law such local ordinances Well, it's not quite as cut and dry as that. There does seem to be some legitimate question on First Amendment right to peaceful assembly grounds. Much of the case law has generally upheld these ordinances, however it has shaped them so that municipalities have to be careful to construct the ordinances correctly.

bregma 7y ago

Freedoms are fine as long as they're mine and not someone else's.

logfromblammo 7y ago

The ordinances that close public parks after twilight are generally to provide cops with a pretext to confront anyone in the park who may otherwise have no-reasonable-suspicion opsec for their... ...sale or use of prohibited substances. ...prostitution. ...homeless campsites. ...public intoxication or underage drinking. ...pretentious indie filmmaking. ...spray-paint tagging. ...logging. ...poaching. ...dumping. ...lewd behavior. While some municipalities were forced to close parks at night, due to actual evidence of these activities, so the cops could move in and roust anyone they find, others preemptively closed their parks as cargo-cult ritual, hoping to prevent those activities from occurring in the first place.