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"Get a job with the associated temporary residence permit" I'm not familiar with Poland specifically but this is generally the insurmountable barrier for most

"Get a job with the associated temporary residence permit" I'm not familiar with Poland specifically but this is generally the insurmountable barrier for most folks. Remember not everyone is a dev! "Sick person who works at Best Buy and drives for Lyft on the side" is going to have a really hard time with that step. Generally speaking, employers need to make a reasonable enough case that they couldn't get an EU person to do the job, and there are often income minimums, specified in-need fields, etc. . So it's definitely not impossible (I did it), but for the sort of person getting told "if you don't like it you can 'git out" it's an issue.

idighkwjt 7y ago
So the issue is that no other country in the world will take them? Even if we assume that’s true, that’s reason enough to be grateful. People are literally dying to break into the country for the opportunity that these folks are complaining is inadequate.
- maxheadroom 7y ago
  >So the issue is that no other country in the world will take them? Even if we assume that’s true, that’s reason enough to be grateful. ...but you're ignoring the principle that people are flippantly telling them, "If you don't like, just leave!", which is what brought about this discussion in the first place. It isn't a realistic option when such barriers exist. >People are literally dying to break into the country for the opportunity that these folks are complaining is inadequate. This logic doesn't work. People are literally dying to get into the EU and people from the EU emigrate, yeah? If everyone believed in the exceptionalism of their own home country, then no one would leave! Also, they're probably not complaining about the opportunity as much as other factors, like society (en masse [e.g.: American society, Russian society, Chinese society, etc.]).
  - idighkwjt 7y ago
    So what if it’s not a real option? What are you saying? What should I take from that?
    - danaris 7y ago
      Not to tell people "if you don't like it, leave".
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AstralStorm 7y ago
There are other arguments, such as if you have a family in Europe (even semi-distant) getting residency in that country is much easier, even if the job you have landed is possible to do by a citizen. They presume you want to return permanently. But if you have nobody around here... Well...

idighkwjt 7y ago

So the issue is that no other country in the world will take them? Even if we assume that’s true, that’s reason enough to be grateful. People are literally dying to break into the country for the opportunity that these folks are complaining is inadequate.

maxheadroom 7y ago
>So the issue is that no other country in the world will take them? Even if we assume that’s true, that’s reason enough to be grateful. ...but you're ignoring the principle that people are flippantly telling them, "If you don't like, just leave!", which is what brought about this discussion in the first place. It isn't a realistic option when such barriers exist. >People are literally dying to break into the country for the opportunity that these folks are complaining is inadequate. This logic doesn't work. People are literally dying to get into the EU and people from the EU emigrate, yeah? If everyone believed in the exceptionalism of their own home country, then no one would leave! Also, they're probably not complaining about the opportunity as much as other factors, like society (en masse [e.g.: American society, Russian society, Chinese society, etc.]).
- idighkwjt 7y ago
  So what if it’s not a real option? What are you saying? What should I take from that?
  - danaris 7y ago
    Not to tell people "if you don't like it, leave".

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AstralStorm 7y ago

There are other arguments, such as if you have a family in Europe (even semi-distant) getting residency in that country is much easier, even if the job you have landed is possible to do by a citizen. They presume you want to return permanently. But if you have nobody around here... Well...