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Dunno about UK. Settling in Poland is not that hard, although no piece of cake either. I believe you can get a job with the associated temporary residence perm

Dunno about UK. Settling in Poland is not that hard, although no piece of cake either. I believe you can get a job with the associated temporary residence permit, extend this as many times as necessary to meet the uninterrupted legal stay requirements, then apply for the permanent residence. Getting citizenship is probably a bit harder but not impossible - about a thousand people get it in Poland each year by the decision of the president.

CalRobert 7y ago
"Get a job with the associated temporary residence permit" I'm not familiar with Poland specifically but this is generally the insurmountable barrier for most folks. Remember not everyone is a dev! "Sick person who works at Best Buy and drives for Lyft on the side" is going to have a really hard time with that step. Generally speaking, employers need to make a reasonable enough case that they couldn't get an EU person to do the job, and there are often income minimums, specified in-need fields, etc. . So it's definitely not impossible (I did it), but for the sort of person getting told "if you don't like it you can 'git out" it's an issue.
- idighkwjt 7y ago
  So the issue is that no other country in the world will take them? Even if we assume that’s true, that’s reason enough to be grateful. People are literally dying to break into the country for the opportunity that these folks are complaining is inadequate.
  - maxheadroom 7y ago
    >So the issue is that no other country in the world will take them? Even if we assume that’s true, that’s reason enough to be grateful. ...but you're ignoring the principle that people are flippantly telling them, "If you don't like, just leave!", which is what brought about this discussion in the first place. It isn't a realistic option when such barriers exist. >People are literally dying to break into the country for the opportunity that these folks are complaining is inadequate. This logic doesn't work. People are literally dying to get into the EU and people from the EU emigrate, yeah? If everyone believed in the exceptionalism of their own home country, then no one would leave! Also, they're probably not complaining about the opportunity as much as other factors, like society (en masse [e.g.: American society, Russian society, Chinese society, etc.]).
    - idighkwjt 7y ago
      So what if it’s not a real option? What are you saying? What should I take from that?
      - danaris 7y ago
        Not to tell people "if you don't like it, leave".
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- AstralStorm 7y ago
  There are other arguments, such as if you have a family in Europe (even semi-distant) getting residency in that country is much easier, even if the job you have landed is possible to do by a citizen. They presume you want to return permanently. But if you have nobody around here... Well...
hestipod 7y ago
Cześć...Warsaw is where I spent the majority of my time living abroad. I love the city, people, my closest relationships are there along with the best doctors I ever had, and I'd love to return but since my health is so frustrating I was never able to have stability in work or life long enough to legitimize. The years spent trying were always derailed by something outside of my control. I was unable to renew my Karta Pobytu the final time and had to return here. Even knowing the cons there, as Poland is certainly not as robust in the social arena as the West, and the populism is sadly growing like in the USA, I still long to return. Even if I only had access to the private system my care in it was always superb and affordable. Had I been healthy or had some consistent support I'd have long since legitimized and possibly had citizenship if it were granted. But I'd have settled for permanent residency. Not really going to change anything to mention all of this, and things are far worse for me now all around than even then so it's possibly wishful thinking to imagine I could even have THAT life again, but it was just relevant to your comment.

CalRobert 7y ago

"Get a job with the associated temporary residence permit" I'm not familiar with Poland specifically but this is generally the insurmountable barrier for most folks. Remember not everyone is a dev! "Sick person who works at Best Buy and drives for Lyft on the side" is going to have a really hard time with that step. Generally speaking, employers need to make a reasonable enough case that they couldn't get an EU person to do the job, and there are often income minimums, specified in-need fields, etc. . So it's definitely not impossible (I did it), but for the sort of person getting told "if you don't like it you can 'git out" it's an issue.

idighkwjt 7y ago
So the issue is that no other country in the world will take them? Even if we assume that’s true, that’s reason enough to be grateful. People are literally dying to break into the country for the opportunity that these folks are complaining is inadequate.
- maxheadroom 7y ago
  >So the issue is that no other country in the world will take them? Even if we assume that’s true, that’s reason enough to be grateful. ...but you're ignoring the principle that people are flippantly telling them, "If you don't like, just leave!", which is what brought about this discussion in the first place. It isn't a realistic option when such barriers exist. >People are literally dying to break into the country for the opportunity that these folks are complaining is inadequate. This logic doesn't work. People are literally dying to get into the EU and people from the EU emigrate, yeah? If everyone believed in the exceptionalism of their own home country, then no one would leave! Also, they're probably not complaining about the opportunity as much as other factors, like society (en masse [e.g.: American society, Russian society, Chinese society, etc.]).
  - idighkwjt 7y ago
    So what if it’s not a real option? What are you saying? What should I take from that?
    - danaris 7y ago
      Not to tell people "if you don't like it, leave".
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AstralStorm 7y ago
There are other arguments, such as if you have a family in Europe (even semi-distant) getting residency in that country is much easier, even if the job you have landed is possible to do by a citizen. They presume you want to return permanently. But if you have nobody around here... Well...

hestipod 7y ago

Cześć...Warsaw is where I spent the majority of my time living abroad. I love the city, people, my closest relationships are there along with the best doctors I ever had, and I'd love to return but since my health is so frustrating I was never able to have stability in work or life long enough to legitimize. The years spent trying were always derailed by something outside of my control. I was unable to renew my Karta Pobytu the final time and had to return here. Even knowing the cons there, as Poland is certainly not as robust in the social arena as the West, and the populism is sadly growing like in the USA, I still long to return. Even if I only had access to the private system my care in it was always superb and affordable. Had I been healthy or had some consistent support I'd have long since legitimized and possibly had citizenship if it were granted. But I'd have settled for permanent residency. Not really going to change anything to mention all of this, and things are far worse for me now all around than even then so it's possibly wishful thinking to imagine I could even have THAT life again, but it was just relevant to your comment.