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Don't you think that the worlds-largest provider of search services, ad services, mail services, video services, smartphone operating system vendor and more wou

Don't you think that the worlds-largest provider of search services, ad services, mail services, video services, smartphone operating system vendor and more would profit, one way or another, if people are technically uneducated and don't understand the things that are happening "behind the scenes" of their browser?

amfsn 7y ago
Unless you're implying educated people don't use search, ad, mail, video, etc?
- martin_a 7y ago
  No, but technically educated people are able to find alternatives, question why things are happening the way they are and improve their experience, by something as simple as using an adblocker. Big tech companies, I think this is not limited to Google, are not interested in that. People shall use their gated communities and that's enough of the internet.
jon-wood 7y ago
What's gained by people understanding what's happening behind the scenes? We don't expect people to understand the details of how their car engine works, or how digital radio signals are encoded and decoded, why should we make it necessary that they do so for the internet? So long as sites that aren't using SSL are highlighted, and its not possible to spoof the browser into displaying a domain you're not looking at, I honestly don't see what benefit the typical user gets from seeing https://www.google.com https://www.google.com vs google.com.
- masswerk 7y ago
  > We don't expect people to understand the details of how their car engine works You may be amused, but in Europe the technical details of a car engine, transmission, breaks, etc, and how to perform a quick repair have been part of the drivers test (and was still, when I made mine). It was a three parts test, involving a technical part, a legal part, regarding rules and laws regulating traffic, and, finally, a practical test. (Similarly, understanding how analog radio works was part of high school curriculum.) This was based on the conviction that dealing with a technology also afforded a basic understanding of it, not the least for legal/liability reasons. Analogously, just making that red "No SSL" alert "go away" may be not enough. It may be preferable, if users were to understand what this is and why it is important, what the possibles consequences are, etc, if they would be actively looking for this, if they would and could confirm the mode of their interaction. Not the least for legal/liability reasons. (Teach them first to never engage in any critical interaction unless there's a verified, secure connection as indicated by such and such icon or signal. Facilitate them in asserting this. Then put on an additional warning light, but don't replace the former by the latter. There's no "easy mode", no "My First Sony" – which was, by today's standards overly complex, anyway –, when it comes to your livelihood.)
  - Eli_P 7y ago
    In this day and age, you're supposed to connect to your car via CAN-bus and perform tweaks with firmware and find failures via data from sensors. Even then, you're mostly operate on a high level, like, turn off ABS or whatever subsystem. Guys who started with old-school "get this car jacked" by getting hands greased finally ended up with patching firmware till morning. A quick car repair you mentioned unlikely goes beyond swapping a tire with a spare.
- zeveb 7y ago
  > What's gained by people understanding what's happening behind the scenes? A critical mass of people able to make informed technical decisions — which is what both business & democratic self-government require. > We don't expect people to understand the details of how their car engine works, or how digital radio signals are encoded and decoded, why should we make it necessary that they do so for the internet? We don't expect them to know the deep details of those technologies, but we do expect them to know that flammable gasoline powers an engine; we do expect them to know that radio signals can be received by anyone with a receiver (and a key, if encrypted).

amfsn 7y ago

Unless you're implying educated people don't use search, ad, mail, video, etc?

martin_a 7y ago
No, but technically educated people are able to find alternatives, question why things are happening the way they are and improve their experience, by something as simple as using an adblocker. Big tech companies, I think this is not limited to Google, are not interested in that. People shall use their gated communities and that's enough of the internet.

jon-wood 7y ago

What's gained by people understanding what's happening behind the scenes? We don't expect people to understand the details of how their car engine works, or how digital radio signals are encoded and decoded, why should we make it necessary that they do so for the internet? So long as sites that aren't using SSL are highlighted, and its not possible to spoof the browser into displaying a domain you're not looking at, I honestly don't see what benefit the typical user gets from seeing https://www.google.com https://www.google.com vs google.com.

masswerk 7y ago
> We don't expect people to understand the details of how their car engine works You may be amused, but in Europe the technical details of a car engine, transmission, breaks, etc, and how to perform a quick repair have been part of the drivers test (and was still, when I made mine). It was a three parts test, involving a technical part, a legal part, regarding rules and laws regulating traffic, and, finally, a practical test. (Similarly, understanding how analog radio works was part of high school curriculum.) This was based on the conviction that dealing with a technology also afforded a basic understanding of it, not the least for legal/liability reasons. Analogously, just making that red "No SSL" alert "go away" may be not enough. It may be preferable, if users were to understand what this is and why it is important, what the possibles consequences are, etc, if they would be actively looking for this, if they would and could confirm the mode of their interaction. Not the least for legal/liability reasons. (Teach them first to never engage in any critical interaction unless there's a verified, secure connection as indicated by such and such icon or signal. Facilitate them in asserting this. Then put on an additional warning light, but don't replace the former by the latter. There's no "easy mode", no "My First Sony" – which was, by today's standards overly complex, anyway –, when it comes to your livelihood.)
- Eli_P 7y ago
  In this day and age, you're supposed to connect to your car via CAN-bus and perform tweaks with firmware and find failures via data from sensors. Even then, you're mostly operate on a high level, like, turn off ABS or whatever subsystem. Guys who started with old-school "get this car jacked" by getting hands greased finally ended up with patching firmware till morning. A quick car repair you mentioned unlikely goes beyond swapping a tire with a spare.
zeveb 7y ago
> What's gained by people understanding what's happening behind the scenes? A critical mass of people able to make informed technical decisions — which is what both business & democratic self-government require. > We don't expect people to understand the details of how their car engine works, or how digital radio signals are encoded and decoded, why should we make it necessary that they do so for the internet? We don't expect them to know the deep details of those technologies, but we do expect them to know that flammable gasoline powers an engine; we do expect them to know that radio signals can be received by anyone with a receiver (and a key, if encrypted).