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Suburban cop favorites: - Dogs in parks - Dogs off leash in dogs-allowed parks - Dog poop infractions - People in parks after dark - Teenage parties - Cur

Suburban cop favorites: - Dogs in parks - Dogs off leash in dogs-allowed parks - Dog poop infractions - People in parks after dark - Teenage parties - Curfew enforcement - Horribly bungling the case when something real and tragic does happen

RomanBob 7y ago
Shooting and killing a guy with a TV remote in hand because it looked like a gun and he 'felt threatened'.
coldtea 7y ago
>Curfew enforcement Suburban cops in Nazi Germany, Pinochet's Chile, or some such place?
- Broken_Hippo 7y ago
  When I was young - before 18 - kids wound up in juvenile all the time for being out after curfew, which was 11 during the week and 12 or 1am on weekends. you were supposed to be allowed out to work a job, but folks got harassed nonetheless. There was no other crime other than being young and out past a certain time. Now in Indiana, supposedly one is supposed to be allowed out with parental permission, but I don't know if it is like this in the rest of the country or if places have re-written their juvenile curfew laws to account for this sort of thing. In addition, folks on house arrest or parole often have curfews as well.
andrewflnr 7y ago
I'm ok with the dog poop one. Cleaning up after your dog is easy, and if you're so lazy that you can't do it you deserve to have someone in authority ruining your week.
- mensetmanusman 7y ago
  True, especially when children are involved. I do not know what to do when I find stuff in my yard that I know the toddlers/kids will play with if they find it. Thankfully the fly exist.
- Cthulhu_ 7y ago
  Yup; my girlfriend is a gardener and while she's fine with handling poisonous plants (there's a lot of those) she is NOT fine with (other people's) dog / cat poop - there can be parasites and other nasties in there that will make you blind or dead. The plants need to be consumed and/or prepared in some way in most cases.
- bregma 7y ago
  When I was young if some guy picked up dog poop in a park and took it home in a bag he would have been locked up as crazy. Nowadays if you don't pick up dog poop in a park and take it home in a bag you're locked up as criminal. What a world. What a world.
  - uncletaco 7y ago
    You're supposed to take it home? I've always thrown the bag in the nearest trash can.
    - pwthornton 7y ago
      Maybe he mummifies his poop? Me? I throw it in a city trash can.
    - bregma 7y ago
      The city near me bans animal waste from landfill and composting. You're required to take it home and flush it. Signs in the parks issue that directive and quote the appropriate bylaw. Me, where I walk my dog he squats in the ditch between the pile of bear scat and the dead raccoon carcass. We lack the delicate sensitivities of sophisticated city dwellers.
  - magduf 7y ago
    Yeah, how horrible it is that people are now expected to pick up their trash and not leave piles of shit lying around where other people might step on them. What a world.
RealityVoid 7y ago
"Curfew enforcement" - is that actually a thing? What is this? Martial law?
- deleted 7y ago
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- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  The American convention is that the police are not a military force because we call them a different word. As such, they cannot impose martial law, regardless of what the law is or the means by which they enforce it.
- Broken_Hippo 7y ago
  Yes, in some areas - especially for juveniles and folks on probation or parole.
- labster 7y ago
  Until you reach age 18 in the US you have very limited civil rights. Freedom of speech, assembly, bearing arms, due process, and privacy are restricted. On the up side for kids, the amusement park tickets are cheaper and the prisons are slightly nicer. And in the US, parents would face criminal charges for things Japanese parents routinely do, like sending their kids to the store alone. Unfortunately the US is filled with plusungood sexcriminals (citation needed) and weapons (price of freedom) so we can’t do it in the land of freedom.
  - cjslep 7y ago
    Curfew is a city or county ordinance. Charlotte, NC or Mecklenburg County curfew age was 16 and under when I was growing up. Also the 17 year old age restriction for "R" rated movies is a suggestion. I hope Regal Cinemas as a business continues dying off for changing their policy to be 18+ when I was 17, and then reverting their policy back to 17 when I turned 18. My stepfather would buy a ticket, escort all of us into the theater, walk back out to the ticket box, demand a refund for his ticket, and leave us to watch. Silliest company policy ever.
HyperTalk2 7y ago
Bored cops in the west have nothing in common with Japanese cops. At all.
flukus 7y ago
How long until we have AI and the surveillance state doing most of that list automatically?
- Cthulhu_ 7y ago
  Are you suggesting we don't have that already? All the big tech companies that do anything with location already know your age and whether you're out after curfew or have a dog (for example), and Snowden revealed that the government (via PRISM) also has access to this information.
LeonidasXIV 7y ago
> People in parks after dark Truly land of the free.
- atom-morgan 7y ago
  This has always irritated me. If someone wants to go running or walking through a park at night, let them.
  - jotm 7y ago
    So, what's defined as "at night"? I used to go for a run at 11pm, or 3am, because I could not sleep and there are no people, it's nice...
    - okmokmz 7y ago
      Locally, a lot of the public parks are closed to the public from dusk to dawn or sunset to sunrise
  - Nasrudith 7y ago
    It is a stupid cheap halfway enforcement because of parks at night being a good place for vice activities which leave unsavory evidence later (used syringes, condoms, booze bottles). I know because that was a shift taken after a few incidents of prostitution at night and unsavory hazardous litter prompted the change. The alternatives are obvious (open but larger patrols at night to make it unsuitable) but that is more expensive for what is a fringe activity.
- dfxm12 7y ago
  You're free to vote into law such local ordinances and for local politicians who support such ordinances. You're also free to vote for politicians who will repeal such ordinances. I don't understand your apparent disdain...
  - jazzabeanie 7y ago
    Depends on your definition of freedom. I personally like freedom to be about more than just voting.
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cgriswald 7y ago
> - Dogs in parks They are often disallowed as a result of dog owners not cleaning up after the dogs. Other considerations are whether horses are allowed in the park, if there is wildlife that is threatened by dogs, or if there are things like soccer fields that might be torn up by a dog. > - Dogs off leash in dogs-allowed parks Leash reactivity is real. Google it. Leaving your little Fluffy off-leash in an on-leash park is a recipe for disaster. I'm not a lawyer, but you'll probably be found liable if a fight starts out, even if the dog on leash 'starts it'. > - Dog poop infractions Good! Bag your poop. Carry it with you until you can dispose of it properly. And that doesn't mean using a private person's garbage without permission.
- closeparen 7y ago
  There are reasons for every ordinance. The enforcement resources dedicated to them are incredible, though, especially when neighboring municipalities can barely keep up with violent crimes short of murder.
- jjulius 7y ago
  >Leash reactivity is real. Google it. Leaving your little Fluffy off-leash in an on-leash park is a recipe for disaster. I'm not a lawyer, but you'll probably be found liable if a fight starts out, even if the dog on leash 'starts it'. I had this conversation in a park with another dog owner just last night. The park has two spaces - a developed area where dogs are required to be on a leash, and an undeveloped area with trails through tall grass where dogs are allowed to be off-leash as long as they are responsive to their owners. He was sitting on a bench on the developed trail, with his dog on the ground next to him, with no leash. No surprise, his dog lunged at mine as we walked by, and he couldn't comprehend why I was upset that he didn't have a leash handy for his dog. It's incredibly frustrating that folk can be so selfish and short-sighted.

RomanBob 7y ago

Shooting and killing a guy with a TV remote in hand because it looked like a gun and he 'felt threatened'.

coldtea 7y ago

>Curfew enforcement Suburban cops in Nazi Germany, Pinochet's Chile, or some such place?

Broken_Hippo 7y ago
When I was young - before 18 - kids wound up in juvenile all the time for being out after curfew, which was 11 during the week and 12 or 1am on weekends. you were supposed to be allowed out to work a job, but folks got harassed nonetheless. There was no other crime other than being young and out past a certain time. Now in Indiana, supposedly one is supposed to be allowed out with parental permission, but I don't know if it is like this in the rest of the country or if places have re-written their juvenile curfew laws to account for this sort of thing. In addition, folks on house arrest or parole often have curfews as well.

andrewflnr 7y ago

I'm ok with the dog poop one. Cleaning up after your dog is easy, and if you're so lazy that you can't do it you deserve to have someone in authority ruining your week.

mensetmanusman 7y ago
True, especially when children are involved. I do not know what to do when I find stuff in my yard that I know the toddlers/kids will play with if they find it. Thankfully the fly exist.
Cthulhu_ 7y ago
Yup; my girlfriend is a gardener and while she's fine with handling poisonous plants (there's a lot of those) she is NOT fine with (other people's) dog / cat poop - there can be parasites and other nasties in there that will make you blind or dead. The plants need to be consumed and/or prepared in some way in most cases.
bregma 7y ago
When I was young if some guy picked up dog poop in a park and took it home in a bag he would have been locked up as crazy. Nowadays if you don't pick up dog poop in a park and take it home in a bag you're locked up as criminal. What a world. What a world.
- uncletaco 7y ago
  You're supposed to take it home? I've always thrown the bag in the nearest trash can.
  - pwthornton 7y ago
    Maybe he mummifies his poop? Me? I throw it in a city trash can.
  - bregma 7y ago
    The city near me bans animal waste from landfill and composting. You're required to take it home and flush it. Signs in the parks issue that directive and quote the appropriate bylaw. Me, where I walk my dog he squats in the ditch between the pile of bear scat and the dead raccoon carcass. We lack the delicate sensitivities of sophisticated city dwellers.
- magduf 7y ago
  Yeah, how horrible it is that people are now expected to pick up their trash and not leave piles of shit lying around where other people might step on them. What a world.

RealityVoid 7y ago

"Curfew enforcement" - is that actually a thing? What is this? Martial law?

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thaumasiotes 7y ago
The American convention is that the police are not a military force because we call them a different word. As such, they cannot impose martial law, regardless of what the law is or the means by which they enforce it.
Broken_Hippo 7y ago
Yes, in some areas - especially for juveniles and folks on probation or parole.
labster 7y ago
Until you reach age 18 in the US you have very limited civil rights. Freedom of speech, assembly, bearing arms, due process, and privacy are restricted. On the up side for kids, the amusement park tickets are cheaper and the prisons are slightly nicer. And in the US, parents would face criminal charges for things Japanese parents routinely do, like sending their kids to the store alone. Unfortunately the US is filled with plusungood sexcriminals (citation needed) and weapons (price of freedom) so we can’t do it in the land of freedom.
- cjslep 7y ago
  Curfew is a city or county ordinance. Charlotte, NC or Mecklenburg County curfew age was 16 and under when I was growing up. Also the 17 year old age restriction for "R" rated movies is a suggestion. I hope Regal Cinemas as a business continues dying off for changing their policy to be 18+ when I was 17, and then reverting their policy back to 17 when I turned 18. My stepfather would buy a ticket, escort all of us into the theater, walk back out to the ticket box, demand a refund for his ticket, and leave us to watch. Silliest company policy ever.

HyperTalk2 7y ago

Bored cops in the west have nothing in common with Japanese cops. At all.

flukus 7y ago

How long until we have AI and the surveillance state doing most of that list automatically?

Cthulhu_ 7y ago
Are you suggesting we don't have that already? All the big tech companies that do anything with location already know your age and whether you're out after curfew or have a dog (for example), and Snowden revealed that the government (via PRISM) also has access to this information.

LeonidasXIV 7y ago

> People in parks after dark Truly land of the free.

atom-morgan 7y ago
This has always irritated me. If someone wants to go running or walking through a park at night, let them.
- jotm 7y ago
  So, what's defined as "at night"? I used to go for a run at 11pm, or 3am, because I could not sleep and there are no people, it's nice...
  - okmokmz 7y ago
    Locally, a lot of the public parks are closed to the public from dusk to dawn or sunset to sunrise
- Nasrudith 7y ago
  It is a stupid cheap halfway enforcement because of parks at night being a good place for vice activities which leave unsavory evidence later (used syringes, condoms, booze bottles). I know because that was a shift taken after a few incidents of prostitution at night and unsavory hazardous litter prompted the change. The alternatives are obvious (open but larger patrols at night to make it unsuitable) but that is more expensive for what is a fringe activity.
dfxm12 7y ago
You're free to vote into law such local ordinances and for local politicians who support such ordinances. You're also free to vote for politicians who will repeal such ordinances. I don't understand your apparent disdain...
- jazzabeanie 7y ago
  Depends on your definition of freedom. I personally like freedom to be about more than just voting.

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cgriswald 7y ago

> - Dogs in parks They are often disallowed as a result of dog owners not cleaning up after the dogs. Other considerations are whether horses are allowed in the park, if there is wildlife that is threatened by dogs, or if there are things like soccer fields that might be torn up by a dog. > - Dogs off leash in dogs-allowed parks Leash reactivity is real. Google it. Leaving your little Fluffy off-leash in an on-leash park is a recipe for disaster. I'm not a lawyer, but you'll probably be found liable if a fight starts out, even if the dog on leash 'starts it'. > - Dog poop infractions Good! Bag your poop. Carry it with you until you can dispose of it properly. And that doesn't mean using a private person's garbage without permission.

closeparen 7y ago
There are reasons for every ordinance. The enforcement resources dedicated to them are incredible, though, especially when neighboring municipalities can barely keep up with violent crimes short of murder.
jjulius 7y ago
>Leash reactivity is real. Google it. Leaving your little Fluffy off-leash in an on-leash park is a recipe for disaster. I'm not a lawyer, but you'll probably be found liable if a fight starts out, even if the dog on leash 'starts it'. I had this conversation in a park with another dog owner just last night. The park has two spaces - a developed area where dogs are required to be on a leash, and an undeveloped area with trails through tall grass where dogs are allowed to be off-leash as long as they are responsive to their owners. He was sitting on a bench on the developed trail, with his dog on the ground next to him, with no leash. No surprise, his dog lunged at mine as we walked by, and he couldn't comprehend why I was upset that he didn't have a leash handy for his dog. It's incredibly frustrating that folk can be so selfish and short-sighted.