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That sounds amazing. Here in provincial NZ officers won't even respond to a car crash or minor violent crimes, because they're so understaffed. I can go a month

That sounds amazing. Here in provincial NZ officers won't even respond to a car crash or minor violent crimes, because they're so understaffed. I can go a month without seeing them. I have zero faith in police to deal with the large anti-social behaviour here, and it's made me dislike having to be in public. If you're a criminal come to NZ. You can rob any shop you want, no one has guns, and police departments won't bother with you even if the victims have your face on camera.

crimsonalucard 7y ago
Why is this voted down. Just wondering.
- lacampbell 7y ago
  I assume it's because I pointed out shop owners not having guns makes them easier targets. Also a lot of wealthy americans tend to fetishize New Zealand as a place they can 'escape' to every time a republican becomes president - so maybe this ruins the image they have of it.
  - northwest65 7y ago
    Funny isn't it, that they think they would be welcome because they vote blue... New Zealanders tend to consider Americans undesirable immigrants regardless of their political beliefs.
- brohee 7y ago
  Because the feeling doesn't match the crime solving statistics, at all.
  - lacampbell 7y ago
    If a crime occurs and people don't even bother reporting it because minor incidents never get looked to, how does that show up in the crime solving statistics?
northwest65 7y ago
The New Zealand police force are beholden to their benefactors, and thus need to focus their efforts on their goals rather than social ones. ACC being the largest contributor is the reason why they spend so much time on policing the road, and so little time on criminal behaviour.
- rangibaby 7y ago
  Japan still has traffic police (like NZ used to)
toomanybeersies 7y ago
This is such hysterical hyperbole I don't know where to start. Where do you live that you fear for your safety in public? Even in Otara you won't run into trouble in public. Shop owners not having guns is a good thing. The last thing we need is an escalating arms race between shop owners and criminals. Violence begets violence.
- lacampbell 7y ago
  This is such hysterical hyperbole I don't know where to start. Considering you don't know where you live, how do you know what I am saying isn't true? Where do you live that you fear for your safety in public? Even in Otara you won't run into trouble in public. Have you lived in Otara? Or have you just been there a few times, found you weren't immediately beaten up, and decided it was an alright place? If you're an Aucklander I consider Auckland CBD a pretty safe place, big police presence. But even then you have endemic violence problems, ie asian students getting mugged in that park outside Auckland Uni. Shop owners not having guns is a good thing. The last thing we need is an escalating arms race between shop owners and criminals. Violence begets violence. Petrol station and dairy robbings are common, usually for cigarettes. People would absolutely think twice if they were armed and could legally defend themselves.
antod 7y ago
> If you're a criminal come to NZ. You can rob any shop you want... And yet just today the NZ Police were touting how they are now identifying and nabbing 2/3rds of dairy (translation: convenience store) robbers. Doesn't sound like the best odds to me.
- rangibaby 7y ago
  Translation: 33% of dairy robbers get away with it
  - antod 7y ago
    For the ones that only try that once.
rangibaby 7y ago
Publice service jobs (includes police) are very competitive in Japan because they have good pay, benefits, and working conditions. Ergo, there is no shortage of police because it is a desirable job.
- distances 7y ago
  Why does the state hire so many, though? I bet most countries would easily get more qualified applicants but rather choose to downsize the police force when crime rates decrease. Which makes total sense.
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    I think most jobs in Japan exist merely to keep the population busy, in the interests of "stability". Unemployed or otherwise "chaotic" life situations are undesirable. The Japanese corporate world isn't really healthy enough to absorb any excess labor, so the public sector takes up the slack. Just walk into any Japanese business or local government office and the giant stacks of documents and rows of office ladies will make any knowledge-worker have an aneurism at the obvious inefficiencies. But very little (outside of the car industry, maybe) is about being efficient. It's about being "stable". Not that I agree with this at all, it's just my cynical take based on the interactions I've had.
    - quelltext 7y ago
      I don't quite understand this attitude. Sure there are inefficiencies but the end result is still often better and faster service than in similar offices in other places of the world. Germany for instance, if city hall in Berlin had to deal with the same number of cases per day that city halls in Tokyo have to deal with they would conpletely shut down.
      - CapricornNoble 7y ago
        My takeaway from your post is "German bureaucracy is even less efficient than Japanese bureaucracy". Let me clarify: yes, the turn-around time and quality of service is good in Japan. But the input costs are very high manpower AND absolutely astronomical paper consumption. My assertion is that at the very least the consumables costs could be reduced, in the long run, by switching to things like fillable PDF forms, with little or no degradation in quality of service. Japan is a perfect place for PDF forms because there is already a form for almost everything, and there really don't seem to be "edge cases" too often. I should be able to fill in my information at a kiosk and the document gets digitally signed by the reviewing employee (because the government workers should have CACs with digital certificates), and it goes into a file server.....instead of onto a bookshelf. Then you also don't need to allocate manpower to manually transport boxes of documents once a season to the "head office" either.

crimsonalucard 7y ago

Why is this voted down. Just wondering.

lacampbell 7y ago
I assume it's because I pointed out shop owners not having guns makes them easier targets. Also a lot of wealthy americans tend to fetishize New Zealand as a place they can 'escape' to every time a republican becomes president - so maybe this ruins the image they have of it.
- northwest65 7y ago
  Funny isn't it, that they think they would be welcome because they vote blue... New Zealanders tend to consider Americans undesirable immigrants regardless of their political beliefs.
brohee 7y ago
Because the feeling doesn't match the crime solving statistics, at all.
- lacampbell 7y ago
  If a crime occurs and people don't even bother reporting it because minor incidents never get looked to, how does that show up in the crime solving statistics?

northwest65 7y ago

The New Zealand police force are beholden to their benefactors, and thus need to focus their efforts on their goals rather than social ones. ACC being the largest contributor is the reason why they spend so much time on policing the road, and so little time on criminal behaviour.

rangibaby 7y ago
Japan still has traffic police (like NZ used to)

toomanybeersies 7y ago

This is such hysterical hyperbole I don't know where to start. Where do you live that you fear for your safety in public? Even in Otara you won't run into trouble in public. Shop owners not having guns is a good thing. The last thing we need is an escalating arms race between shop owners and criminals. Violence begets violence.

lacampbell 7y ago
This is such hysterical hyperbole I don't know where to start. Considering you don't know where you live, how do you know what I am saying isn't true? Where do you live that you fear for your safety in public? Even in Otara you won't run into trouble in public. Have you lived in Otara? Or have you just been there a few times, found you weren't immediately beaten up, and decided it was an alright place? If you're an Aucklander I consider Auckland CBD a pretty safe place, big police presence. But even then you have endemic violence problems, ie asian students getting mugged in that park outside Auckland Uni. Shop owners not having guns is a good thing. The last thing we need is an escalating arms race between shop owners and criminals. Violence begets violence. Petrol station and dairy robbings are common, usually for cigarettes. People would absolutely think twice if they were armed and could legally defend themselves.

antod 7y ago

> If you're a criminal come to NZ. You can rob any shop you want... And yet just today the NZ Police were touting how they are now identifying and nabbing 2/3rds of dairy (translation: convenience store) robbers. Doesn't sound like the best odds to me.

rangibaby 7y ago
Translation: 33% of dairy robbers get away with it
- antod 7y ago
  For the ones that only try that once.

rangibaby 7y ago

Publice service jobs (includes police) are very competitive in Japan because they have good pay, benefits, and working conditions. Ergo, there is no shortage of police because it is a desirable job.

distances 7y ago
Why does the state hire so many, though? I bet most countries would easily get more qualified applicants but rather choose to downsize the police force when crime rates decrease. Which makes total sense.
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  I think most jobs in Japan exist merely to keep the population busy, in the interests of "stability". Unemployed or otherwise "chaotic" life situations are undesirable. The Japanese corporate world isn't really healthy enough to absorb any excess labor, so the public sector takes up the slack. Just walk into any Japanese business or local government office and the giant stacks of documents and rows of office ladies will make any knowledge-worker have an aneurism at the obvious inefficiencies. But very little (outside of the car industry, maybe) is about being efficient. It's about being "stable". Not that I agree with this at all, it's just my cynical take based on the interactions I've had.
  - quelltext 7y ago
    I don't quite understand this attitude. Sure there are inefficiencies but the end result is still often better and faster service than in similar offices in other places of the world. Germany for instance, if city hall in Berlin had to deal with the same number of cases per day that city halls in Tokyo have to deal with they would conpletely shut down.
    - CapricornNoble 7y ago
      My takeaway from your post is "German bureaucracy is even less efficient than Japanese bureaucracy". Let me clarify: yes, the turn-around time and quality of service is good in Japan. But the input costs are very high manpower AND absolutely astronomical paper consumption. My assertion is that at the very least the consumables costs could be reduced, in the long run, by switching to things like fillable PDF forms, with little or no degradation in quality of service. Japan is a perfect place for PDF forms because there is already a form for almost everything, and there really don't seem to be "edge cases" too often. I should be able to fill in my information at a kiosk and the document gets digitally signed by the reviewing employee (because the government workers should have CACs with digital certificates), and it goes into a file server.....instead of onto a bookshelf. Then you also don't need to allocate manpower to manually transport boxes of documents once a season to the "head office" either.