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Are you familiar with the men's rights movement? The term or concept of "men's rights" could certainly be discussed in a neutral, non-crazy way. But the actual

Are you familiar with the men's rights movement? The term or concept of "men's rights" could certainly be discussed in a neutral, non-crazy way. But the actual movement as it exists today and the logic that commonly defines it is absolutely as detached from reality as any of those other cult-like ideologies.

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leereeves 7y ago
Do you have any specific examples of what you mean? Because being angry that Cardi B is still welcome among the Hollywood and Washington elite after admitting to drugging and robbing people (men, specifically) doesn't seem crazy at all. Nor does concern for child grooms (boys forced into marriage at 12 years old). Or a divorced father upset that his children are being taken away by the mother in violation of the custody agreement. (Those are the top posts of r/mensrights right now.)
- poloniculmov 7y ago
  You can see that they're always bashing women and feminism as the cause for these problems, instead of actually trying to fix the issues. The main difference between feminists and MRAs, is that feminists actually are trying to solve their issues and MRAs bitch on the internet that women are bad. They're doing absolutely nothing to solve the real issues that men are suffering from.
  - leereeves 7y ago
    The second top post on r/feminism right now says: "I was just going off on my mom about how all men are horrible"
    - poloniculmov 7y ago
      Did you actually read it? They're complaining about double standards in how boys and girls are raised and how "boys will be boys" is shit.
      - leereeves 7y ago
        And "bitching on the internet that men are bad". And you're excusing that behavior from feminists. There's a double standard for you.
        poloniculmov 7y ago
        Feminists actually do things to solve issues, they're not just bitching on the internet. All these "meninists" like /r/mensrights or AVoiceForMen and other toxic communities only make it harder for men. Women are not the enemy.
        leereeves 7y ago
        MRAs do things to solve issues too. For example, when the Department of Education rescinded the guilty until proven innocent policy. That was the work of men's rights groups. But feminists fight everything MRAs try to do to solve these issues. They complained when that policy changed. When MRAs tried to bring attention to male victims of domestic violence, feminists claimed they were distracting from female victims. And you're absolutely right, women aren't the enemy. There are plenty of women who support men's rights. But there are also women who claim that men sitting comfortably are "manspreading", that men speaking are "mansplaining", and who presume that every man accused of sexual assault is guilty.
repolfx 7y ago
No it isn't. Men's Rights Advocates are concerned with several very serious and very real topics: • Unequal treatment under law, especially in family and divorce law. • False accusations, especially of rape and the general unwillingness of the state to punish women who make false accusations, or even reveal their names. This is a much larger problem than anti-MRAs (feminists) are willing to admit. • The excesses of feminism and the general prevalence of man-hating, e.g. the fact that Sarah Jeong got a high placed job at the New York Times despite having tweeted a lot about how much she hates white men, the way men are being excluded from jobs because of their gender. • "Intactivism", i.e. being against circumcision And a bunch of other topics. This author was making some possibly insightful observations about the flat earth movement. But when he claimed people who care about men's rights are the same as people who believe the Earth is flat he lost all credibility immediately. He wouldn't say that about those who care about women's rights, would he now? That's just a totally hate-based and unhinged position. How can I trust his evaluation of flat-earthers (who I know nothing about) when he appears to genuinely believe that people who want equal treatment under law for men and women are delusional?

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leereeves 7y ago

Do you have any specific examples of what you mean? Because being angry that Cardi B is still welcome among the Hollywood and Washington elite after admitting to drugging and robbing people (men, specifically) doesn't seem crazy at all. Nor does concern for child grooms (boys forced into marriage at 12 years old). Or a divorced father upset that his children are being taken away by the mother in violation of the custody agreement. (Those are the top posts of r/mensrights right now.)

poloniculmov 7y ago
You can see that they're always bashing women and feminism as the cause for these problems, instead of actually trying to fix the issues. The main difference between feminists and MRAs, is that feminists actually are trying to solve their issues and MRAs bitch on the internet that women are bad. They're doing absolutely nothing to solve the real issues that men are suffering from.
- leereeves 7y ago
  The second top post on r/feminism right now says: "I was just going off on my mom about how all men are horrible"
  - poloniculmov 7y ago
    Did you actually read it? They're complaining about double standards in how boys and girls are raised and how "boys will be boys" is shit.
    - leereeves 7y ago
      And "bitching on the internet that men are bad". And you're excusing that behavior from feminists. There's a double standard for you.
      - poloniculmov 7y ago
        Feminists actually do things to solve issues, they're not just bitching on the internet. All these "meninists" like /r/mensrights or AVoiceForMen and other toxic communities only make it harder for men. Women are not the enemy.
        leereeves 7y ago
        MRAs do things to solve issues too. For example, when the Department of Education rescinded the guilty until proven innocent policy. That was the work of men's rights groups. But feminists fight everything MRAs try to do to solve these issues. They complained when that policy changed. When MRAs tried to bring attention to male victims of domestic violence, feminists claimed they were distracting from female victims. And you're absolutely right, women aren't the enemy. There are plenty of women who support men's rights. But there are also women who claim that men sitting comfortably are "manspreading", that men speaking are "mansplaining", and who presume that every man accused of sexual assault is guilty.

repolfx 7y ago

No it isn't. Men's Rights Advocates are concerned with several very serious and very real topics: • Unequal treatment under law, especially in family and divorce law. • False accusations, especially of rape and the general unwillingness of the state to punish women who make false accusations, or even reveal their names. This is a much larger problem than anti-MRAs (feminists) are willing to admit. • The excesses of feminism and the general prevalence of man-hating, e.g. the fact that Sarah Jeong got a high placed job at the New York Times despite having tweeted a lot about how much she hates white men, the way men are being excluded from jobs because of their gender. • "Intactivism", i.e. being against circumcision And a bunch of other topics. This author was making some possibly insightful observations about the flat earth movement. But when he claimed people who care about men's rights are the same as people who believe the Earth is flat he lost all credibility immediately. He wouldn't say that about those who care about women's rights, would he now? That's just a totally hate-based and unhinged position. How can I trust his evaluation of flat-earthers (who I know nothing about) when he appears to genuinely believe that people who want equal treatment under law for men and women are delusional?