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Marco Arment, John Gruber and company are so obnoxiously biased against anything that is not Apple that it isn't worth clicking on any links pointing to their s

Marco Arment, John Gruber and company are so obnoxiously biased against anything that is not Apple that it isn't worth clicking on any links pointing to their sites. It's deja vu all the times if you do - no one can compete with Apple, everyone other than Apple is doomed. Ad-nauseum. With implausible or otherwise manufactured/subjective beliefs sometimes sprinkled in there to make them feel like logical reasons. There isn't anything insightful there - just bigotry. "Neither Google nor Microsoft will ever be able to tailor their software to other manufacturers’ specific (and varied) hardware devices as well as Apple can (and does) with theirs." Really? Marco Arment can predict the future? Do we lose all hope that people will do anything better than Apple? Even in Marco's little part of the world it sounds outrageously short sighted. You can say what you want against everything non-Apple and that would of course be your opinion (as opposed to universally accepted truth) - but this is going too far, even for Marco Arment class of people. He goes preaching about Apple's integrated experience, "superior everything" and ponies - but you know what the whole world is not buying the iPad universally - Samsung sold a million Galaxy Tabs, Androids are already outselling Apple worldwide and reason for that is not that the people buying them are stupid - people just have different needs and tastes. Banging on the "teh superior AAPL drum" with a sad tune of everyone else's suckiness for ever is not going to change that.

foljs 16y ago
"""Marco Arment, John Gruber and company are so obnoxiously biased against anything that is not Apple that it isn't worth clicking on any links pointing to their sites. It's deja vu all the times if you do - no one can compete with Apple, everyone other than Apple is doomed. Ad-nauseum. """ I know how you feel. And the most annoying thing is how they always come out right: first the renaissance of Apple and the Mac, the iPod, then iTunes, then the iPhone, then the App Store now the iPad. All of these getting great sales, redefining industry, and gathering higher market share, while tens of competitors sink or at best manage to offer knock-offs a couple of years later. Why don't Gruber and company write more like enlightened pundits like Paul Thurrot, Rob Enderle and John Dvorak?
- blinkingled 16y ago
  Yep - Microsoft has closed shop, Android is not selling at all, Amazon hasn't continued to gain more music selling share, no one is buying Kindles as there is the iPad. And Adobe was going to be in serious trouble too - http://mosspuppet.com/2010/12/21/clearly-adobes-in-real-trouble/ http://mosspuppet.com/2010/12/21/clearly-adobes-in-real-trou... . I get it yes - for my non-reasoned definition of right I can be always right. Doesn't mean much though. Oh yeah and market share is not the success criteria - I know that as well. What I "feel" is the criteria.
  - foljs 16y ago
    """Yep - Microsoft has closed shop""" Yes. In the portable music and mobile market it has tried to compete with Apple and closed shop many times --only in MS case it is called "canceled a project" or "closed a department". As for the OS/API space, it has slided into irrelevance. Do you really need me to bring out the big guns and quote Paul Graham on this one? """Android is not selling at all""" You seemed to have missed the "manage to offer knock-offs a couple of years later", part. """Amazon hasn't continued to gain more music selling share""" You seemed to have missed the "manage to offer knock-offs a couple of years later", part. """no one is buying Kindles as there is the iPad""" The two are not really in the same market. The Kindle is an ebook reader. The iPad is a tablet computing platform with ebook reading capability thrown in. There is a Kindle app FOR the iPad, for heaven's sake. """And Adobe was going to be in serious trouble too""" With regards to Flash dominance in the future of the web (the only relevant metric, i.e. pertaining to Apple, in this discussion)? You betsa.
    - blinkingled 16y ago
      Yes, I am not sure why you are continuing to argue - I got it already. Will it help if I admitted that Apple invented sliced bread? We agree that you are convinced of everything you said and we also agree not to investigate anything objectively - we are good to get over this as long as we stick to subjective opinions ;)
      - 16y ago
ZeroGravitas 16y ago
I've been surprised by the number of times I've seen the Galaxy Tab listed on best tech of 2010 lists. Often by people who also own iPads. I've not had a chance to play with one myself (though I've held one in my hand, turned off) but since some (but not all) of the early reviews were particularly scathing, this seems a bit odd to me. I think the possibilities are a) Android fanboys lying about the Tab and how good it is b) Apple fanboys lying about the Tab and how bad it is, c) that, for some people, with certain needs the Galaxy Tab is already better than Apple's iPad, due to size, weight, hotspot capabilities, built in cameras, network availability or whatever and that the things that Arment and Gruber value aren't universal values.
- blinkingled 16y ago
  I actually wondered about the mixed Tab reviews too. Andy Ihnatko's review gave me a clue - the Apple fan reviewers who compared the Tab against iPad almost invariably did not like it. But those who looked at it independent of the iPad, like Ihnatko does in this review - http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/2680861-452/tab-ipad-device-android-mobile.html http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/2680861-452/tab-i... - liked it ( a lot in Andy's case). Bottom line my take is that it is a good device in its own right and the price over iPad is at least somewhat justified given the additions of 2 cameras, more RAM, SD Card, better GPU etc. and the 7" size is definitely a good one.

foljs 16y ago

"""Marco Arment, John Gruber and company are so obnoxiously biased against anything that is not Apple that it isn't worth clicking on any links pointing to their sites. It's deja vu all the times if you do - no one can compete with Apple, everyone other than Apple is doomed. Ad-nauseum. """ I know how you feel. And the most annoying thing is how they always come out right: first the renaissance of Apple and the Mac, the iPod, then iTunes, then the iPhone, then the App Store now the iPad. All of these getting great sales, redefining industry, and gathering higher market share, while tens of competitors sink or at best manage to offer knock-offs a couple of years later. Why don't Gruber and company write more like enlightened pundits like Paul Thurrot, Rob Enderle and John Dvorak?

blinkingled 16y ago
Yep - Microsoft has closed shop, Android is not selling at all, Amazon hasn't continued to gain more music selling share, no one is buying Kindles as there is the iPad. And Adobe was going to be in serious trouble too - http://mosspuppet.com/2010/12/21/clearly-adobes-in-real-trouble/ http://mosspuppet.com/2010/12/21/clearly-adobes-in-real-trou... . I get it yes - for my non-reasoned definition of right I can be always right. Doesn't mean much though. Oh yeah and market share is not the success criteria - I know that as well. What I "feel" is the criteria.
- foljs 16y ago
  """Yep - Microsoft has closed shop""" Yes. In the portable music and mobile market it has tried to compete with Apple and closed shop many times --only in MS case it is called "canceled a project" or "closed a department". As for the OS/API space, it has slided into irrelevance. Do you really need me to bring out the big guns and quote Paul Graham on this one? """Android is not selling at all""" You seemed to have missed the "manage to offer knock-offs a couple of years later", part. """Amazon hasn't continued to gain more music selling share""" You seemed to have missed the "manage to offer knock-offs a couple of years later", part. """no one is buying Kindles as there is the iPad""" The two are not really in the same market. The Kindle is an ebook reader. The iPad is a tablet computing platform with ebook reading capability thrown in. There is a Kindle app FOR the iPad, for heaven's sake. """And Adobe was going to be in serious trouble too""" With regards to Flash dominance in the future of the web (the only relevant metric, i.e. pertaining to Apple, in this discussion)? You betsa.
  - blinkingled 16y ago
    Yes, I am not sure why you are continuing to argue - I got it already. Will it help if I admitted that Apple invented sliced bread? We agree that you are convinced of everything you said and we also agree not to investigate anything objectively - we are good to get over this as long as we stick to subjective opinions ;)
    - 16y ago

ZeroGravitas 16y ago

I've been surprised by the number of times I've seen the Galaxy Tab listed on best tech of 2010 lists. Often by people who also own iPads. I've not had a chance to play with one myself (though I've held one in my hand, turned off) but since some (but not all) of the early reviews were particularly scathing, this seems a bit odd to me. I think the possibilities are a) Android fanboys lying about the Tab and how good it is b) Apple fanboys lying about the Tab and how bad it is, c) that, for some people, with certain needs the Galaxy Tab is already better than Apple's iPad, due to size, weight, hotspot capabilities, built in cameras, network availability or whatever and that the things that Arment and Gruber value aren't universal values.

blinkingled 16y ago
I actually wondered about the mixed Tab reviews too. Andy Ihnatko's review gave me a clue - the Apple fan reviewers who compared the Tab against iPad almost invariably did not like it. But those who looked at it independent of the iPad, like Ihnatko does in this review - http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/2680861-452/tab-ipad-device-android-mobile.html http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/2680861-452/tab-i... - liked it ( a lot in Andy's case). Bottom line my take is that it is a good device in its own right and the price over iPad is at least somewhat justified given the additions of 2 cameras, more RAM, SD Card, better GPU etc. and the 7" size is definitely a good one.