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It's odd to me that folks are calling this a scam. I'd describe it more as unintended consequences of a poorly thought out governance system. These "scammers" a

It's odd to me that folks are calling this a scam. I'd describe it more as unintended consequences of a poorly thought out governance system. These "scammers" are using the letter of the law just the same way that accountants figure out how to use every possible loophole to minimize tax burden. Every role-playing gamer in the world is already familiar with the concept. The solution is to fix the system, ideally by fixing the incentives. If we craft a system that lets someone legally fill out a form and get cash, don't be offended when people use it. Solutions that expect parents to put the "greater good" ahead of the interests of their children are doomed to failure.

Someone1234 7y ago
The student is intentionally misleading the colleges about their financial status and the financial support they receive. They're literally declaring themselves financially independent while not being financial independent. That's outright fraud: > In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain This isn't clever maneuvering. It is unlawful deception.
- riku_iki 7y ago
  > misleading the colleges about their financial status and the financial support they receive. I think colleges don't care if students actually receive support from parents, they only check parents income/assets, and if parents refuse to provide support then student is in trouble. So giving up custody is a legal way to express this situation in legal terms.
  - Someone1234 7y ago
    > So giving up custody is a legal way to express this situation in legal terms. That's a different situation than the situation the article discusses. These kids are still receiving support while pretending not to (for financial gain). The colleges are now asking if the student is still on their parent's health insurance and or getting their bills paid by their parents to combat the abuse they've been seeing.
    - riku_iki 7y ago
      > That's a different situation than the situation the article discusses. These kids are still receiving support while pretending not to (for financial gain). could you provide citation? I think article says exactly that some students want to separate from parents through guardianship concept and try to push this through court, but colleges investigate and flag such cases internally.
      - Someone1234 7y ago
        > could you provide citation? I already gave you one. The article this thread is about.
      - skinnymuch 7y ago
        The article.
        riku_iki 7y ago
        As I said: article doesn't state there is any actual finding of such things.
- stickfigure 7y ago
  This is not quite correct. The colleges are asking about the financial status of the parents, not the child, and making poor assumptions. Not only does this open up the system to legalistic scheming, it also seriously disadvantages kids with estranged parents. The colleges are not asking the right questions. It sounds like that's changing, which is good. But they're the ones making the rules and they bear the blame for the consequences.
  - romwell 7y ago
    >it also seriously disadvantages kids with estranged parents. I knew someone in this situation. It sucks, and the parent commenter is way too eager to attach labels.

Someone1234 7y ago

The student is intentionally misleading the colleges about their financial status and the financial support they receive. They're literally declaring themselves financially independent while not being financial independent. That's outright fraud: > In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain This isn't clever maneuvering. It is unlawful deception.

riku_iki 7y ago
> misleading the colleges about their financial status and the financial support they receive. I think colleges don't care if students actually receive support from parents, they only check parents income/assets, and if parents refuse to provide support then student is in trouble. So giving up custody is a legal way to express this situation in legal terms.
- Someone1234 7y ago
  > So giving up custody is a legal way to express this situation in legal terms. That's a different situation than the situation the article discusses. These kids are still receiving support while pretending not to (for financial gain). The colleges are now asking if the student is still on their parent's health insurance and or getting their bills paid by their parents to combat the abuse they've been seeing.
  - riku_iki 7y ago
    > That's a different situation than the situation the article discusses. These kids are still receiving support while pretending not to (for financial gain). could you provide citation? I think article says exactly that some students want to separate from parents through guardianship concept and try to push this through court, but colleges investigate and flag such cases internally.
    - Someone1234 7y ago
      > could you provide citation? I already gave you one. The article this thread is about.
    - skinnymuch 7y ago
      The article.
      - riku_iki 7y ago
        As I said: article doesn't state there is any actual finding of such things.
stickfigure 7y ago
This is not quite correct. The colleges are asking about the financial status of the parents, not the child, and making poor assumptions. Not only does this open up the system to legalistic scheming, it also seriously disadvantages kids with estranged parents. The colleges are not asking the right questions. It sounds like that's changing, which is good. But they're the ones making the rules and they bear the blame for the consequences.
- romwell 7y ago
  >it also seriously disadvantages kids with estranged parents. I knew someone in this situation. It sucks, and the parent commenter is way too eager to attach labels.