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> This assumes that the colonialists countries didn't trade with non colonialist countries in Europe. Look at the US and Mexico: Despite having a lot of trade

by deogeo 7y ago

> This assumes that the colonialists countries didn't trade with non colonialist countries in Europe. Look at the US and Mexico: Despite having a lot of trade and migration, the two countries significantly differ economically. So it plainly does not hold that trade and migration entirely eliminates differences.

gingabriska 7y ago
>Look at the US and Mexico: Despite having a lot of trade and migration, the two countries significantly differ economically. Back then labor was in more demand. Evidence is the salves were imported often at great cost and risk. There were fewer commodities in market. Germany had coal, French needed it. There was no limit on immigration. People from Germany and France were more equal in education and social status than the difference you've between Americans and Mexicans. Technology wise countries in Europe were quite equal, what differed is the amount of resources at their disposal. >So it plainly does not hold that trade and migration entirely eliminates differences. It doesn't have to entirely eliminate differences, just have to make them more equal.
- deogeo 7y ago
  Sure - but if it doesn't entirely eliminate them, then you'd see a more significant difference between colonial and non-colonial countries. > People from Germany and France were more equal in education and social status than the difference you've between Americans and Mexicans. Good way to disqualify any counter-examples to your theory. If they're more equal in status (i.e. have more equal economies), then they don't count.
gingabriska 7y ago
>Good way to disqualify any counter-examples to your theory. If they're more equal in status (i.e. have more equal economies), then they don't count. Brahmins in India had high social status but less money/assets in past. So I am not talking about economic status.
bayesian_horse 7y ago
The issue about trade is that non-colonizing countries in Europe traded with colonies and their colonizers, benefiting from the alleged exploitation. And indeed, Mexico is gaining ground on the US, not least because of bilateral trade and bilateral migration.

by deogeo 7y ago

gingabriska 7y ago

>Look at the US and Mexico: Despite having a lot of trade and migration, the two countries significantly differ economically. Back then labor was in more demand. Evidence is the salves were imported often at great cost and risk. There were fewer commodities in market. Germany had coal, French needed it. There was no limit on immigration. People from Germany and France were more equal in education and social status than the difference you've between Americans and Mexicans. Technology wise countries in Europe were quite equal, what differed is the amount of resources at their disposal. >So it plainly does not hold that trade and migration entirely eliminates differences. It doesn't have to entirely eliminate differences, just have to make them more equal.

deogeo 7y ago
Sure - but if it doesn't entirely eliminate them, then you'd see a more significant difference between colonial and non-colonial countries. > People from Germany and France were more equal in education and social status than the difference you've between Americans and Mexicans. Good way to disqualify any counter-examples to your theory. If they're more equal in status (i.e. have more equal economies), then they don't count.

gingabriska 7y ago

>Good way to disqualify any counter-examples to your theory. If they're more equal in status (i.e. have more equal economies), then they don't count. Brahmins in India had high social status but less money/assets in past. So I am not talking about economic status.

bayesian_horse 7y ago

The issue about trade is that non-colonizing countries in Europe traded with colonies and their colonizers, benefiting from the alleged exploitation. And indeed, Mexico is gaining ground on the US, not least because of bilateral trade and bilateral migration.