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Unpopular opinion: this is not the way engineering should be taught, to ace a stupid test. I understand these are economically underprivileged kids and I wish t

by pm90 7y ago

Unpopular opinion: this is not the way engineering should be taught, to ace a stupid test. I understand these are economically underprivileged kids and I wish them best, but I would really love it if someone followed up on where they end up after graduation. I’m hoping that as the economy develops further, the need to go to such extremes will diminish and folks can pursue their true calling.

iamshs 7y ago
Agreed, that test eats up years of childhood. Considering that nearly 100K students give the exam, what criteria will work best to select 5K students for available seats?
- nilsocket 7y ago
  Nearly 1 million, students try to crack IIT exam. No.of seats available are 12-13k. That's nearly 1.3%.
- lake99 7y ago
  No criteria. I think the problem is with the low number of seats available. A similar quality of education can be made available at a much larger scale if the country is so motivated. It's understandable that not all branches of engineering at other universities can acquire the kind of funding that IITs have. Apart from some specialized lab equipment, there is no technical reason all universities can't offer a comparable quality of education all over India. There are only bureaucratic reasons.
mkagenius 7y ago
> someone followed up on where they end up after graduation There you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSwi3RcVBzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSwi3RcVBzw It is mostly big banks, big and medium IT companies.
- AareyBaba 7y ago
  The amazing engineering work at ISRO is mostly engineers from regional non-IITian colleges.
aviraldg 7y ago
https://swarajyamag.com/culture/reviewing-the-real-super-30-what-anand-kumars-students-have-to-say-about-the-man-and-the-movie https://swarajyamag.com/culture/reviewing-the-real-super-30-... seems to have some comments from past students
nilsocket 7y ago
Recently, Indian government have released new educational draft. If everything goes as planned, it will be implemented by 2030.
gingabriska 7y ago
Taxpayer money shouldn't be spent in funding such competition. While education systems in west are focused towards collaboration, Indian education system makes them compete against each other like wild dogs. When will India understand, it's not about competition but collaboration. We can argue this system creates very few winners and a lot of people feel like losers in this system. If they made them feel better, they can increase their net education output which would be far better than showcasing any specific rank or endorsing any specific brand like IIT.
- andrepd 7y ago
  >While education systems in west are focused towards collaboration Citation needed. Capitalism is basically "free for all competition" in a nutshell.
  - pushtheenvelope 7y ago
    that's a cynical view. Capitalism is the freedom to buy and sell from whoever you choose. If what you choose to sell is something so unique, you'll escape competition.
    - moate 7y ago
      Oh no, if you want the cynical view of capitalism it's that the already rich create a rigged system in which they are able to exert disproportionate influence on the government and regulators that affect their ability to create and preserve their own wealth. They then use this influence to push weaker competitors out of the marketplace, eventually creating a single monopoly on an industry. Allowed to go to its conclusion, you replace political empires with financial rule. That's just the short version. "free for all" is actually the optimistic view in my opinion. At least in a "free for all" metaphor you have the assumption of equal standing and "the strongest" winning.
- saketuec 7y ago
  > While education systems in west are focused towards collaboration, Indian education system makes them compete against each other like wild dogs. P.S.: the "competition" is just for entrance to these premier Indian colleges. I guess, the same would hold true if you want to enter prestigious U.S. colleges like Stanford, Harvard, Yale, or any other Ivy League colleges. Of course, in India, the number of students applying is vastly different, which is what makes it super competitive.
saagarjha 7y ago
Anecdotal, but many of them end up in the Bay Area (my dad is one of them).
gholap 7y ago
> this is not the way engineering should be taught Nit: "super 30" is not about teaching engineering. That begins after the said exam.
gramakri 7y ago
I for one hope that education moves online completely. In india, the education sector cannot meet the demand and as a result it's filled with meaningless tests.

by pm90 7y ago

iamshs 7y ago

Agreed, that test eats up years of childhood. Considering that nearly 100K students give the exam, what criteria will work best to select 5K students for available seats?

nilsocket 7y ago
Nearly 1 million, students try to crack IIT exam. No.of seats available are 12-13k. That's nearly 1.3%.
lake99 7y ago
No criteria. I think the problem is with the low number of seats available. A similar quality of education can be made available at a much larger scale if the country is so motivated. It's understandable that not all branches of engineering at other universities can acquire the kind of funding that IITs have. Apart from some specialized lab equipment, there is no technical reason all universities can't offer a comparable quality of education all over India. There are only bureaucratic reasons.

mkagenius 7y ago

> someone followed up on where they end up after graduation There you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSwi3RcVBzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSwi3RcVBzw It is mostly big banks, big and medium IT companies.

AareyBaba 7y ago
The amazing engineering work at ISRO is mostly engineers from regional non-IITian colleges.

aviraldg 7y ago

https://swarajyamag.com/culture/reviewing-the-real-super-30-what-anand-kumars-students-have-to-say-about-the-man-and-the-movie https://swarajyamag.com/culture/reviewing-the-real-super-30-... seems to have some comments from past students

nilsocket 7y ago

Recently, Indian government have released new educational draft. If everything goes as planned, it will be implemented by 2030.

gingabriska 7y ago

Taxpayer money shouldn't be spent in funding such competition. While education systems in west are focused towards collaboration, Indian education system makes them compete against each other like wild dogs. When will India understand, it's not about competition but collaboration. We can argue this system creates very few winners and a lot of people feel like losers in this system. If they made them feel better, they can increase their net education output which would be far better than showcasing any specific rank or endorsing any specific brand like IIT.

andrepd 7y ago
>While education systems in west are focused towards collaboration Citation needed. Capitalism is basically "free for all competition" in a nutshell.
- pushtheenvelope 7y ago
  that's a cynical view. Capitalism is the freedom to buy and sell from whoever you choose. If what you choose to sell is something so unique, you'll escape competition.
  - moate 7y ago
    Oh no, if you want the cynical view of capitalism it's that the already rich create a rigged system in which they are able to exert disproportionate influence on the government and regulators that affect their ability to create and preserve their own wealth. They then use this influence to push weaker competitors out of the marketplace, eventually creating a single monopoly on an industry. Allowed to go to its conclusion, you replace political empires with financial rule. That's just the short version. "free for all" is actually the optimistic view in my opinion. At least in a "free for all" metaphor you have the assumption of equal standing and "the strongest" winning.
saketuec 7y ago
> While education systems in west are focused towards collaboration, Indian education system makes them compete against each other like wild dogs. P.S.: the "competition" is just for entrance to these premier Indian colleges. I guess, the same would hold true if you want to enter prestigious U.S. colleges like Stanford, Harvard, Yale, or any other Ivy League colleges. Of course, in India, the number of students applying is vastly different, which is what makes it super competitive.

saagarjha 7y ago

Anecdotal, but many of them end up in the Bay Area (my dad is one of them).

gholap 7y ago

> this is not the way engineering should be taught Nit: "super 30" is not about teaching engineering. That begins after the said exam.

gramakri 7y ago

I for one hope that education moves online completely. In india, the education sector cannot meet the demand and as a result it's filled with meaningless tests.