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I don't think they use harsher practices in production. Smartphone production is just the same: First the people are enslaved to get the resources out of some

by VvR-Ox 7y ago

I don't think they use harsher practices in production. Smartphone production is just the same: First the people are enslaved to get the resources out of some mines, then some Asian workers (inc. children etc.) have to assemble (996 without a loan you'd want to live with). Then it's transported via logistics which is another sector that refuses to treat people like human beings. In the end of the line we have the eager sales guys who knowingly lie to customers and themselves to get a lot of sales. The difference is that companies earn a lot more on a single sale for a smartphone but the scale of the sales of these feature phones could end up being more revenue I think. On the other hand marketing costs could be much lower because the price plus features alone would beat every smartphone at once. I think it's crazy we still didn't modularize these devices and have nice OS'es for them.

jdc 7y ago
Do you have a source for the slave labour claim?
- raister 7y ago
  Let's not be naïve... If he had a source, they would have to act on it, close everything down, and else. Then the phone price would rise to $400 and the factory would close as well, and all the supply chain would suffer. I guess they just turn their heads the other way on this kind of things.
  - jdc 7y ago
    If you try to find out which are tainted by speculating about the wishes of the thinkers, you are merely making a fool of yourself. You must first find out on purely logical grounds which of them do, in fact, break down as arguments. Afterwards, if you like, go on and discover the psychological causes of the error. - C.S. Lewis
  - VvR-Ox 7y ago
    That's the interesting thing - we know so much but so little changes (fast enough). We call ourselves civilized and think about colonizing other planets but still haven't solved the problem of poverty. Everyone who isn't ignoring this based on a decision to do so knows about the practices under which people have to suffer every day to sustain our nice lifestyle here I think. The problem is the way the whole industry works because new products need to be sold continuously for a company to survive. We all know climate change is here but it will take us decades to react globally. Of course they turn their heads - it's much easier that way to enjoy all the money they got for acting like this.
- tokai 7y ago
  "cases of forced labour have been documented in electronics factories supplying major brands such as Apple, Acer, HP, and Sony, among many others" https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/china/ https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-stu...
- VvR-Ox 7y ago
  here you have more resources: http://news.trust.org/item/20180918134734-kqc8m http://news.trust.org/item/20180918134734-kqc8m https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-giants-fail-to-tackle-child-labour-allegations-in-cobalt-battery-supply-chains/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian... There is much more if you want to research further. I'm astonished you didn't know that. To realize this led me to buy used computers and phones instead of new ones among other stuff I try to improve in my personal/professional radius.

by VvR-Ox 7y ago

jdc 7y ago

Do you have a source for the slave labour claim?

raister 7y ago
Let's not be naïve... If he had a source, they would have to act on it, close everything down, and else. Then the phone price would rise to $400 and the factory would close as well, and all the supply chain would suffer. I guess they just turn their heads the other way on this kind of things.
- jdc 7y ago
  If you try to find out which are tainted by speculating about the wishes of the thinkers, you are merely making a fool of yourself. You must first find out on purely logical grounds which of them do, in fact, break down as arguments. Afterwards, if you like, go on and discover the psychological causes of the error. - C.S. Lewis
- VvR-Ox 7y ago
  That's the interesting thing - we know so much but so little changes (fast enough). We call ourselves civilized and think about colonizing other planets but still haven't solved the problem of poverty. Everyone who isn't ignoring this based on a decision to do so knows about the practices under which people have to suffer every day to sustain our nice lifestyle here I think. The problem is the way the whole industry works because new products need to be sold continuously for a company to survive. We all know climate change is here but it will take us decades to react globally. Of course they turn their heads - it's much easier that way to enjoy all the money they got for acting like this.
tokai 7y ago
"cases of forced labour have been documented in electronics factories supplying major brands such as Apple, Acer, HP, and Sony, among many others" https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/china/ https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-stu...
VvR-Ox 7y ago
here you have more resources: http://news.trust.org/item/20180918134734-kqc8m http://news.trust.org/item/20180918134734-kqc8m https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-giants-fail-to-tackle-child-labour-allegations-in-cobalt-battery-supply-chains/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian... There is much more if you want to research further. I'm astonished you didn't know that. To realize this led me to buy used computers and phones instead of new ones among other stuff I try to improve in my personal/professional radius.