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You are conflating two senses of the word "should." Should you throw out expired milk? In one sense, no, you shouldn't let it expire. Use it faster, or buy les

by geofft 7y ago

You are conflating two senses of the word "should." Should you throw out expired milk? In one sense, no, you shouldn't let it expire. Use it faster, or buy less. In the other sense, yes, why leave it in the fridge? Nobody in this conversation is trying to get out of tipping people who aren't making a living base wage. We all agree it's a moral duty. Our claim is that wages should be higher so we shouldn't have to tip, eventually. And, yes, I would in fact disagree with tipping a person for good service. Everyone deserves a living wage, good service or not. If they don't meet your expectations, complain to their employer (chances are the cause of your bad service is out of their hands), and tip them anyway, every bit as generously as someone who provided good service. This too is a moral obligation.

unimployed 7y ago
Respectfully disagree with your assertion that no one here wants to get out of tipping people "not making it." The "I don't tip" sentiment is just a prevalent here as I have heard from drivers themselves that many people will purposely choose not to tip for going the extra mile. Most people here, just as in the real world are completely ignorant how the system actually works, how much the delivery person really takes home, and who is getting the short end of the stick between the worker, the restaurant, the customer, and any app service. You prefer to refer to moral obligations, I prefer to call it like it is. Don't act like an ass and expect discounted food delivered at some poor person's expense but your own. Also if you are a bad delivery driver (some exist, yes) don't expect a tip if you fuck up badly or really sucked... don't hit my car or my garage door (both have happened). Put yourself in someone else's shoes and obey the golden rule. No need to debate right and wrong, shoulds, oughts, and obligations, morals, duties, ethics, values, and philosophy. Just don't be lazily uninformed, have some empathy and conscientiousness, and treat other people the way you would want to be treated.

by geofft 7y ago

unimployed 7y ago

Respectfully disagree with your assertion that no one here wants to get out of tipping people "not making it." The "I don't tip" sentiment is just a prevalent here as I have heard from drivers themselves that many people will purposely choose not to tip for going the extra mile. Most people here, just as in the real world are completely ignorant how the system actually works, how much the delivery person really takes home, and who is getting the short end of the stick between the worker, the restaurant, the customer, and any app service. You prefer to refer to moral obligations, I prefer to call it like it is. Don't act like an ass and expect discounted food delivered at some poor person's expense but your own. Also if you are a bad delivery driver (some exist, yes) don't expect a tip if you fuck up badly or really sucked... don't hit my car or my garage door (both have happened). Put yourself in someone else's shoes and obey the golden rule. No need to debate right and wrong, shoulds, oughts, and obligations, morals, duties, ethics, values, and philosophy. Just don't be lazily uninformed, have some empathy and conscientiousness, and treat other people the way you would want to be treated.